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To: DannyTN

What about the possibility the Universe we live in is Infinite, it has no beginning or end, distant galaxies at the edges of the known universe are expanding because the space to expand in is infinite.

My prediction is that in some number of future years when there is another telescope like the James Webb Telescope that is multiple time more powerful, we will find galaxies far beyond what we now know about with our current technology.

Mankind is always trying to find the beginning and end of things, what if that view is wrong and there is no end or beginning.


6 posted on 12/09/2024 11:34:47 PM PST by srmanuel
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To: srmanuel

Suppose we live in a simulation, and all of our measurements are put into place by a novice programmer like Bill Gates?

Could you imagine living ones whole life in a quest for knowledge only to find out it is an illusion? What a sad joke


8 posted on 12/10/2024 12:26:06 AM PST by Getready (Wisdom is more valuable than gold and harder to find.)
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To: srmanuel

(For general consideration. I’m not expecting you to answer these questions. I quite agree with you on it being Infinite. Thanks for bringing up the issue)

The reason they claim the Universe (which I always understood to be defined as Eternal and Infinite) is finite because all celestial objects are moving AWAY from a central point, ergo that point would be the origin of the big bang and it has expanded to size xxx based on it’s age. It’s age is based on it’s size. Huh?

(Akin to aging the underlying layers of Earth based on the fossil inclusion, and the fossils age is based on the layer they are found in)

If all objects are moving away from a central point, where is that point ?

Since our only point of view is Earth/our solar system, we must be the center.

Red shift stars are traveling away from us. Blue shift stars are traveling toward us. Supposedly they should all be moving away from us. Which is based on observation with a time period of say several thousand years. But the Universe operates on a time scale that is 10’s if not 100’s of MILLIONS times larger. It may be that every 5000 years, the blue and red shifted objects completely reverse their direction. It is possible that mankind won’t even be around to see that kind of thing occur.

EVEN IF the Universe were finite, due to the supposed speed of expansion, and the limitations of the speed of light, we will NEVER EVER be able to prove it. Due to the size, the rate of expansion at the ‘edge’ has already exceeded the speed of light. We can never catch up with it.

IF we even COULD, what proof would we get ? Beyond the ‘finite’ universe, there would be NOTHING. No way to image it , no way to describe it, no way to see it. How would we know or prove it was there ? But it can’t be ‘there’ because it doesn’t ‘exist’.

Thus the dilemma of the ‘finite universe’ concept.


35 posted on 12/10/2024 9:24:27 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (Be kind to unkind people. They need it the most.)
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