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To: Regulator; All

Sworn testimony from an Air Force Commander convince you?

Or he he now part of the conspiracy? See how this works? I give evidence and you’re incapable of incorporating into your world view due to reaction formation.

Commander FRAVOR. Abruptly, very determinant. It knew ex-
actly what it was doing. It was aware of our presence and it had
acceleration rates—I mean, it went from zero to matching our
speed in no time at all.
Mr. LANGWORTHY. Now, if the fastest plane on Earth was trained
to do these maneuvers that you saw, would it be capable of doing
that?
Commander FRAVOR. No, not even close.
Mr. LANGWORTHY. And just to confirm, this object had no wings,
correct?
Commander FRAVOR. No wings.
Mr. LANGWORTHY. Now, was the aircraft that you were flying
was it armed?
Commander FRAVOR. No, and never felt threatened at all.
Mr. LANGWORTHY. If the aircraft was armed do you believe that
your aircraft or any aircraft in possession of the United States
could have shot the Tic Tac down?
Commander FRAVOR. I would say no, just on the performance. It
would have just left in a split second

https://www.congress.gov/118/meeting/house/116282/documents/HHRG-118-GO06-Transcript-20230726.pdf

Or this guy:

Luis Elizondo (01:25:40):

Ma’am, I’m not qualified, certainly as a scientist or otherwise, to speculate points of origin, I looked at everything from a scientific perspective. So if you look at, for example, instantaneous acceleration, which was one of the observables of the program that I belong to, ATIP, the human body can withstand about nine G-forces for a short period of time before you suffer negative biological consequences, blackouts and ultimately redouts, and even death. Comparison, our best technology, the F-16, which is one… It’s an older platform, but one of our most highly maneuverable aircraft, manned aircraft made by General Dynamics, can perform about 17 or 18 G-forces before you start having structural failure, meaning that the airframe begins to disintegrate while you’re flying. The vehicles we’re talking about are performing in excess of 1000, 2000, 3000 Gs.

https://www.rev.com/transcripts/house-hearing-on-unidentified-anomalous-phenomena

Let me be clear: UAP are real. Advanced technologies not made by
our Government – or any other government – are monitoring sensitive
military installations around the globe. Furthermore, the U.S. is in
possession of UAP technologies, as are some of our adversaries. I
believe we are in the midst of a multi-decade, secretive arms race—
one funded by misallocated taxpayer dollars and hidden from our
elected representatives and oversight bodies.
For many years, I was entrusted with protecting some of our nation’s
most sensitive programs. In my last position, I managed a Special
Access Program on behalf of the White House and the National
Security Council. As such, I appreciate the need to protect certain
sensitive intelligence and military information. I consider my oath to
protect secrets as sacred and will always put the safety of the
American people first. With that said, I also understand the
consequences of excessive secrecy and stove-piping. Nowhere was
this more apparent than in the aftermath of 9/11, which many of us
remember all too well.

https://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/Written-Testimony-Elizondo.pdf

And, as the Bard puts it:

“There are more things in Heaven and Earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.”


18 posted on 11/14/2024 1:31:32 PM PST by TigerClaws
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To: TigerClaws
During the Nimitz, Princeton, Cmdr Fravor et al. tictac event, the USS Princeton tracked a tictac on their radar that dropped from an altitude 80,000 ft to right above the water in 7/8 of a second. That would be over 60,000 mph and even possibly even more at some points considering that it had to stop presumably by slowing down.

The Princeton picked the object up at 80,000 ft because that was the upper limit of its radar. This suggests that the object was coming in from a higher altitude.

23 posted on 11/14/2024 2:14:59 PM PST by RoosterRedux (Emerson paraphrased, "If you strike at the king, don't fail." They failed. )
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To: TigerClaws
Let's go through the list.

Air Force Commander
- There is no such rank in the USAF. CDR Fravor is a Naval Aviator. As for sworn testimony from CDR Fravor, I watched it years ago and he simply recounts what he saw while carefully avoiding conclusions that would require extrapolation.
Luis Elizondo
- Elizondo is a biologist who happens to have a clearance. That's nice. Spent years in such environments myself. It adds no credibility to opinions someone may have. In fact, bringing it up usually implies the opposite. Elizondo doesn't have the background to make informed judgements about what he's discussing.
The observed events
- The events presented were real but are subject to interpretation. E.g., the high angular rate of the "tic-tac" has been discussed on this very forum and identified as attenuation on the radar by ex-rdr techs, and the guy was chasing an electronic phantom. Is that true? Ask an RF guy. But that's one reason I asked you to calculate the angular rate. It's value may match a system parameter showing that the whole thing was an electronic artifact.
Existing Analysis
- At this link: Estimating Flight Characteristics of Anomalous Unidentified Aerial Vehicles you can find a top level analysis of the physics behind the mentioned events. The most compelling is the Senior Chief Petty Officer Kevin Day radar report. For something to be observed in LEO and then make a stepped descent to 80Kft and then down to 28Kft followed by a 0.78s descent to the surface is beyond extraordinary but unprecedented. To wit: "Estimated accelerations range from almost 100g to 1000s of gs with no observed air disturbance, no sonic booms, and no evidence of excessive heat commensurate with even the minimal estimated energies".
Bottom Line
- The events analysed in the paper show rough correlation. But do they have such correlation because people reporting them have prior knowledge or predisposition to report things that way? How many people back in the '60s described being beamed up by willowy proto humans with big eyes? Were they just regurgitating previous descriptions? How is it possible that something races off at Mach 60 and doesn't create a shock wave of immense intensity? Ever heard a high Mach number shock wave? It'll knock your eardrums out and shake your house. And that's for an airplane doing Mach 1.4. How does something suspend the perfect gas law? There are alternate explanations, not necessarily considered here.
There are sensors of all sorts all over the Earth now. There is overhead reconaissance that is ubiquitous and persistent which would undoubtedly capture and track any such craft if a lousy AN/APG-79 AESA radar could do it. So uh, where's that evidence?

So this isn't going to get solved anytime soon nor is it important. What IS important is focus HARD on the immense issues right now, since we have the greatest opportunity in the last 80 years to fix serious problems that affect the existence of the nation. In the meantime, the LGM's who fly tic-tacs will not affect much of anything on their sight seeing tours, if that's what these events are.

31 posted on 11/14/2024 9:44:58 PM PST by Regulator (It's fraud, Jim)
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