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ChatGPt - Monte Carlo prediction of Election

Posted on 11/04/2024 11:29:17 AM PST by Mister Right Wing Conspiracy

I had ChatGPT run a Monte Carlo analysis of who will win the election:

Conducting a Monte Carlo simulation for the 2024 U.S. presidential election involves modeling the electoral outcomes based on current polling data and historical voting patterns. This method provides probabilistic insights into each candidate's chances of winning.

Methodology:

Data Collection:

Polling Averages: Utilize recent state-level polling data for Vice President Kamala Harris and former President Donald Trump. Historical Voting Trends: Incorporate past election results to account for state-specific voting behaviors. Assign Probability Distributions:

For each state, establish a probability distribution reflecting the uncertainty in polling data, typically using a normal distribution centered on the polling average with a standard deviation representing potential polling errors. Simulation Execution:

Run 10,000 simulated elections. In each iteration, randomly sample vote percentages for each candidate in every state based on the defined distributions. Determine the winner by aggregating electoral votes across all states. Result Aggregation:

Calculate the proportion of simulations each candidate wins to estimate their respective probabilities of securing the presidency. Assumptions:

Polling Data: Reflects the most recent state-level averages as of November 4, 2024. Polling Error: Assumed standard deviation of 3% to account for typical polling inaccuracies. Independence: Assumes state outcomes are independent, though in reality, regional trends may introduce correlations. Simulation Results:

After conducting 10,000 simulations, the estimated probabilities are:

Kamala Harris: Approximately 48% chance of winning. Donald Trump: Approximately 52% chance of winning. Interpretation:

These probabilities suggest a highly competitive race, with Trump holding a slight edge. However, the close margins indicate that small shifts in voter behavior or turnout could significantly impact the election outcome.

Limitations:

Polling Accuracy: Relies on the assumption that current polls accurately reflect voter intentions. Turnout Variability: Does not explicitly model variations in voter turnout, which can influence results. Correlated Errors: Assumes state outcomes are independent, potentially underestimating the impact of regional trends. Conclusion:

The Monte Carlo simulation underscores the uncertainty inherent in the 2024 presidential election, highlighting the importance of voter turnout and engagement in determining the final result.


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1 posted on 11/04/2024 11:29:17 AM PST by Mister Right Wing Conspiracy
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To: Mister Right Wing Conspiracy

Given the polls, makes sense. But the polls are almost certainly BS.


2 posted on 11/04/2024 11:31:53 AM PST by mlo
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To: mlo

GIGO


3 posted on 11/04/2024 11:34:02 AM PST by Regulator (It's fraud, Jim)
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To: mlo

https://babylonbee.com/news/new-polls-show-that-trump-will-definitely-win-unless-harris-wins/


4 posted on 11/04/2024 11:35:27 AM PST by Brown Deer
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To: Regulator

GIGO is the Achilles’ heel of current AI technology.


5 posted on 11/04/2024 11:37:43 AM PST by rightwingcrazy (;-,)
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To: Mister Right Wing Conspiracy

They can look at the polls, but how do they calculate the amount of cheating that will happen?


6 posted on 11/04/2024 11:37:46 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: Mister Right Wing Conspiracy

why not? all these predictions are garbage.

if someone gets close its only because they got lucky


7 posted on 11/04/2024 11:38:41 AM PST by plain talk
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To: Mister Right Wing Conspiracy

That is a gross misapplication of the Monte Carlo Method. The underlying processes cannot be modeled deterministically (i.e., state voting patterns or local precinct patterns).


8 posted on 11/04/2024 11:44:01 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom (“President Trump sells out Madison Square Garden -- Kamala sells out America”)
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To: Regulator
GIGO

Absolutely. Which makes it important to know how to work with it. AI is going to be a major tool in short order. It won't take long for it to be at a usable level. In this case, it looks like OP was pretty specific as to methodology and such. I'll be watching to see how close it comes to OP's post. Will be interesting.

9 posted on 11/04/2024 11:44:25 AM PST by dware (Americans prefer peaceful slavery over dangerous freedom)
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To: Mister Right Wing Conspiracy

And here is where this completely fails.

Polling Accuracy: Relies on the assumption that current polls accurately reflect voter intentions. Turnout Variability: Does not explicitly model variations in voter turnout, which can influence results. Correlated Errors: Assumes state outcomes are independent, potentially underestimating the impact of regional trends. Conclusion:


10 posted on 11/04/2024 11:48:24 AM PST by for-q-clinton (Cancel Culture IS fascism...Let's start calling it that!)
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To: Mister Right Wing Conspiracy

I love Monte Carlo stuff.

I wonder what the Electoral College scenarios would be if you ran that many iterations on every state?

Yeah…I know you are not doing that. Ha Ha.

In four years, we can start working on that early in the process.


11 posted on 11/04/2024 12:06:30 PM PST by Vermont Lt
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To: Mister Right Wing Conspiracy

Meh.


12 posted on 11/04/2024 1:11:47 PM PST by simpson96
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To: Mister Right Wing Conspiracy

You might want to run the simulation and tell it to add 4-6% to Trump’s poll numbers as that has been the amount he was undercounted in the last two election’s polling. Then see what it says.


13 posted on 11/04/2024 1:28:58 PM PST by curious7
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To: Mister Right Wing Conspiracy

Run it for 2016 and it probably would have shown Hillary had a 93% chance (based on polls at that time).


14 posted on 11/04/2024 1:31:50 PM PST by SamAdams76
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To: Mister Right Wing Conspiracy

“Relies on the assumption that current polls accurately reflect voter intentions.” Garbage in, garbage out


15 posted on 11/04/2024 4:01:10 PM PST by pacific_waters
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To: Mister Right Wing Conspiracy

GIGO


16 posted on 11/04/2024 4:02:13 PM PST by pacific_waters
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To: Mister Right Wing Conspiracy
It sounds like ChatGPT is averaging poll results directly. This is useless for Monte Carlo.

My model is a true Monte Carlo that converts the poll results into probabilities.

My model is giving President Trump a 66% probability of winning.

-PJ

17 posted on 11/04/2024 4:08:25 PM PST by Political Junkie Too ( * LAAP = Left-wing Activist Agitprop Press (formerly known as the MSM))
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; Bockscar; BraveMan; cardinal4; ...
I'm not going to make the drive, I'm going to do what most on FR may do, watch the GR rally on stream. Even if I thought I could get in, I doubt that I could even sit down, much less stand, that long.

Get your list of non-partisan recommendations ready (judges, university trustees etc) ready for tomorrow, get in line early, and reelect our President!

18 posted on 11/04/2024 4:14:55 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
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To: Political Junkie Too

Well anyhow, it appears that your Monte Carlo prediction was correct.


19 posted on 12/13/2024 8:44:51 AM PST by SamAdams76
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