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To: MtnClimber; Tell It Right; butlerweave; paint_your_wagon; Openurmind; Lonesome in Massachussets
Turn a blank sheet of paper sideways. On the left write “weather event” in small letters, draw a circle around the words, and then draw a small arrow pointing to the right side. On the far right, write the words "manmade climate change” in small letters, draw a circle around the words, and then draw a small arrow pointing to the circle.

Is there not a large blank space in the middle? Have you ever seen a story which fills in this area? Have you ever read a story that uses words like sun and ocean, which are the two enormous engines determining temperature? Cannot the stories that you have seen be inserted into one or the other circles?

I will submit there is no evidence of man-made global warming because no adherent to the popular mythology will acknowledge the existence of the sun and oceans. All I have ever seen are comments on weather events or physical phenomenon involving temperature followed by an assertion man-made global warming is the cause.

In the hard sciences of Math and Physics, the earth’s climate is known as an open system, meaning all influencers are probabilistic and not deterministic. Any assertions must be less than certain, but we are always treated to infallibility statements like those for the boiling point of water. Popular reasoning requires a complete disconnect between events and conclusions and is no more rigorous than Middle Age alchemy.

I have yet to find any article which attempts to measure the influence of the sun and ocean and then ascribe an increment to human activity. It was only since the late 70’s that it was possible to attempt to confirm changes in the sun’s radiance independent of earth. Without a rigorous solution involving those two enormous engines, models created provide outcomes no more elegant than what is left behind when a brand new puppy is turned loose in a house decorated with white carpets and white furniture.

Even before that time any true scientist would have said data collected could not be analyzed, because people had known for centuries the sun was a variable star and it was not possible to separate influences for any mathematical computations. Now that it is possible to separate the influence of the sun but not the oceans, the analysis of such a complicated interaction is still highly problematic. Therefore, political rhetoric must be substituted for application of the scientific method.

18 posted on 10/25/2024 8:16:33 AM PDT by Retain Mike ( Sat Cong)
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To: Retain Mike

All true. There is a very regular cycle of 125k where something substantial reverses course and throws us down the path into another glacial period. And the same happens on a regular cycle that throws us back into an interglacial period sharply in a short time. Nothing in between these regular 125k cycle periods even matters, they have absolutely no influence at all in the longer timeline.

What causes this 125k cycle swing is what we need to be looking at and worried about, not the small insignificant vibrations in between. The vibrations are insignificant compared to what is going to make the vehicle crash.


20 posted on 10/25/2024 8:35:07 AM PDT by Openurmind
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