There you go again disenfranching 40 million Ukrainians in the exact manner Democrats try to do to patriotic Americans. You take umbrage at Ukraine for choosing Russian targets while giving to pass to a bandit “nation” that has ALREADY stolen a nuclear power plant located in Ukraine. There is just no intellectual consistency to your arguments. Therefore, there really isn’t a purpose to continue this conversation. FRegards.
In the General/Chat forum, on a thread titled Answer to a media question | Putin answered a question from a media representative. [Media blackout on key part of Putin's statement], lodi90 wrote: There you go again disenfranching 40 million Ukrainians in the exact manner Democrats try to do to patriotic Americans. You take umbrage at Ukraine for choosing Russian targets while giving to pass to a bandit “nation” that has ALREADY stolen a nuclear power plant located in Ukraine. There is just no intellectual consistency to your arguments. Therefore, there really isn’t a purpose to continue this conversation. FRegards.
lodi90 is not interested in continuing this conversation, so I'll pull their name out of the address bar and just respond to the assertions made.
We disagree on post 54. lodi90 likened the situation in Ukraine to Mexico invading California and annexing Los Angeles. But that situation is not comparable because it suggests that the Mexicans were acting on their own interests, when in fact, the Ukraine is a pawn of NATO, specically, America as our country donates the most money. I also said that the Ukrainians are puppets in the proxy war.
Lodi90 says everyone wants peace except, 'colonialist mass murderers in the Kremlin'. I disagree. Zelensky's 'peace terms' are for Putin to remove all troops from Ukraine and pay for all damage done. But Putin has said, 'what about the Ukrainian citizens being shelled in the East. Putin is currently pushing back on Modi and China for urging peace when there's no mention of protecting the Eastern Ukrainians (most, of Russian descent) from continued shelling, or protecting Russia from NATO's aspirations (regime change in Russia).
My intellectual consistency is comprised of factors which have not been changing and which I've never seen refuted. Trump said our State Department helped overthrow the Ukraine in 2014.
Many FReepers seem unaware that our CIA helped overthrow Ukrainian leadership in preparation for NATO to weaponize the Ukraine and intentionally provoke Putin's national security concerns.
2 days after the CIA's overthrow of the Ukraine began, Putin annexed part of the Crimea. Ukraine's apologists always act there's no provocation, no reason at all, which provoked Russia to respond. If China overthrew Mexico and installed weapons and built an army there, the US would 'object', just as Russia objects to NATO's intentions to force regime change in Russia.
In 2010, the Ukraine's "parliament passed a law banning Ukraine from joining any military bloc, effectively banning it from entering NATO though maintaining opportunities for cooperation. According to a poll conducted by Pew Research Center the fall before, just over half of Ukrainians disapproved of NATO and the idea Ukraine might try to join, while just 28% approved." source
ransomnote: Given that the Ukraine moved to prevent NATO membership, the US CIA overthrew the Ukrainian government (start of that 'revolution' was February 18, 2014). With (CIA) help, NATO was now in control of the Ukraine, Russia responded by annexing part of Crimea Feb 20, 2014 – Mar 21, 2014.
Two monthls later in May, two more reagions of the Crimea voted for independence to escape NATO's overthrow of the Ukraine, at which point NATO/CIA controlled Western Ukraine began shelling Eastern Ukraine. Nobody likes to talk about Eastern Ukraine shelling western Ukraine; they prefer to repeatedly claim Russia acted without reason and will attack other nations at will once it wins the war in the Ukraine. Those people simply have no objection to the government of the Ukraine shelling its own citizens.