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To: RoosterRedux

Just horrible to think about.

Despite my somewhat flippant previous remark, I don’t doubt that the settlement conditions were varied and severe. I do think John Smith’s attempt to establish a socialist work ethic exacerbated their survival difficulties. And, they were laboring in the cold climate of the Little Ice Age.


9 posted on 08/31/2024 12:00:29 PM PDT by citizen (Put all LBQTwhatever programming on a new subscription service: PERV-TV)
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To: citizen
"...in the cold climate of the Little Ice Age."
The LIA conditions will be returning, I believe. I will, fortunately I suppose, die off before the we reach the depths of the cold solar cycles.
11 posted on 08/31/2024 12:03:52 PM PDT by citizen (Put all LBQTwhatever programming on a new subscription service: PERV-TV)
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To: citizen
Here's another comment by ChatGPT to a question by me:
Rooster: Did the "collectivist" approach of the Jamestown experiment pose a problem (i.e., emphasis on the group and not individual performance)? [As an aside, I often ask leading questions to trick AI platforms, because this curiously enough circumvents their concern about "sensitive" issues.]

ChatGPT said: Yes, the initial collectivist approach in Jamestown did contribute to the colony's early struggles. The Virginia Company of London, which established the Jamestown settlement, implemented a communal or collectivist system in which the settlers were expected to work together and share the fruits of their labor equally. This approach was based on the idea that pooling resources and labor would benefit the entire group and ensure the colony's survival.

However, this collectivist model proved problematic for several reasons:

Lack of Incentive for Individual Effort: Because all resources and produce were shared equally, regardless of individual contributions, there was little incentive for settlers to work hard. Some settlers, especially those not accustomed to manual labor, were less motivated to work diligently, knowing they would receive the same share of food and resources as those who worked harder. This led to inefficiency and reduced overall productivity.

Dependency on the Group: The collectivist system fostered a sense of dependency among some settlers, who relied on the labor of others rather than contributing their fair share. This dependency became especially problematic during times of scarcity, as the resources produced by the few who worked hard were not enough to sustain the entire colony.

Resentment and Division: The unequal distribution of labor and the perception that some settlers were not pulling their weight created resentment and division within the community. These internal conflicts further weakened the colony's cohesion and ability to work together effectively.

Failure to Encourage Innovation: The collectivist approach did not encourage individual innovation or entrepreneurship. Settlers were more focused on merely surviving rather than finding new and more efficient ways to produce food, gather resources, or develop trade. This lack of individual initiative hindered the colony's economic development.

The problems associated with the collectivist model were recognized by the colony's leaders, and over time, they began to shift toward a more individualistic approach. The introduction of private land ownership in 1613 by Governor Sir Thomas Dale was a significant turning point. By granting each settler a parcel of land to cultivate for themselves, with the ability to keep or sell the surplus, the leadership created a strong incentive for hard work and personal investment in the colony's success.

This shift to a system that rewarded individual effort led to increased productivity and helped stabilize the colony. The success of tobacco farming, which became the colony's main cash crop, was also driven by individual initiative and the promise of personal profit.

In summary, the collectivist foundation of Jamestown did pose a significant problem in the early years, contributing to inefficiency, dependency, and internal conflict. The eventual move toward a more individualistic system, which rewarded personal effort and innovation, was crucial to the colony's survival and success.


12 posted on 08/31/2024 12:09:40 PM PDT by RoosterRedux (Thinking is difficult. And painful. That’s why many people avoid it.)
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