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To: thecodont
The majority of British subjects in North America did not pine for liberty, or exhibit a general disdain for royal pomp, or loathe the monarchy, until the very last minute—if at all.

I do not believe that. I've read too much about the founders to accept that is fact. There was no polling data available then, but the desire to be left alone to live their lives in peace brought masses of people to leave Europe. (And Kings and Queens and various monarchs.)

And this carried over here in Texas when we broke from dictator Santa Anna.

Nope, I believe that during the American revolution there was probably 1/3 of the population loyal to the European monarchs. There is no way to determine how many in the Colonies were indentured servants. (not both white and black)


(From Wiki) Alexis Coe is an American presidential historian, podcast host, exhibition curator and tv commenter. She is a senior fellow at New America and the author of award-winning Alice and Freda Forever: A Murder in Memphis (2014) and the New York Times best-selling You Never Forget Your First: A Biography of George Washington (2020).

She is just a child, of the Left.

Coe is a senior fellow at New America, a bipartisan think tank in Washington, D.C.

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8 posted on 08/31/2024 3:56:11 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Texas is not about where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind and Attitude.)
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To: Texas Fossil
I do not believe that. I've read too much about the founders to accept that is fact. There was no polling data available then, but the desire to be left alone to live their lives in peace brought masses of people to leave Europe. (And Kings and Queens and various monarchs.)

A relatively small percentage came here for "freedom" - mostly religious groups - but most who came here did so because of economic opportunity. Just lots and lots of contemporaneous accounts of people describing the lack of economic future/opportunity in Europe and desire for a place where they had a chance to own land or otherwise make their fortune.

The other thing is that Englishmen were more "free" than just about anyone else in Europe, and generally took pride in that. England was really ruled by Parliament, not the King, which was different from the rest of Europe. The "rights of Englishmen" were something talked about constantly by the Founders and by other colonists. English common law gave common people rights that other Europeans simply didn't have. They were actually proud of that.

The primary complaint of the colonists was that they were being denied the rights and representation to which they were entitled as Englishmen. So in that sense, they were very patriotic because they believed in that English system. It's just that it was denied to them. Englishmen.. So in that sense, they were very pro-English. It wasn't until they concluded they would never have the same rights as other Englishmen that they finally rebelled.

10 posted on 08/31/2024 5:19:13 AM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin ( )
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