You penned a very measured and
lengthy response, which makes it incumbent upon me to respond in kind. I only hope that I can be as gentlemanly and polite as you!
First of all: My initial objection still stands: If you attempt to smear others (i.e., FReepers) because they happen to hold the same stance as various "execrables" like Kamala, Pelosi, AOC, et al., then our side is likewise free to smear you for being on the same as North Korea, Iran, etc.
As I pointed out, that (your argumentum ad odium) is an informal logical fallacy (or a formal logical fallacy - namely: a non sequitur - depending upon how you want to look at it).
However, you did not even attempt to refute my accusation of "guilt by association" (its other name) - so it still stands. Rather, by referencing BRIC, you instead pivoted to another hoary old fallacy, the argumentum ad populum.
The admiration Putin enjoys among the leadership of North Korea and Iran, and the sentiment of the unwashed masses in BRIC have absolutely no bearing upon the subject at hand, namely: The immorality and illegality of Putin's invasion of Ukraine.
[...] you are much more aware of world affairs and the history of this region than you like to let on.
That may be - but it (i.e., the long and conflict-rich history of this world region) is completely irrelevant to the subject at hand, namely: The immorality and illegality of Putin's invasion of Ukraine.
This is why President Trump has promised to end this quagmire within 24 hours of taking office. None of this would have happened if he had been in office at the time when Biden was promising Putin that nothing would be done if it was a “minor incursion”.
Woulda, coulda, shoulda. I, too, wish that Trump had been sworn in on Jan. 20, 2021; quite likely, it would then have never come to this. But what you are saying is irrelevant to the discussion at hand, namely: The immorality and illegality of Putin's invasion of Ukraine.
Everything the people you have aligned yourself with turns to crap when they get their fingers in the pot.
Again with the "guilt by association" ploy! Please drop that! "Hitler drank tea... You drink tea... Therefore...!" That is not a rational argument!
Western economies and the role of the dollar in trade and as the DeFacto reserve currency is crumbling. The situation in Ukraine is the spearhead that is largely to blame. The longer this situation is allowed to continue because of financing and war materials being provided by Western entities which are profiting from the mayhem... the more damage will be done.
That is blatant fear-mongering and/or the attempt to generate a general climate of panic. You might as well have thrown in that the prevalence of dandruff was also on the rise and that "Lucky Strikes" used to taste better. And then you go and deftly insert a bold and nigh unprovable assertion in the midst of your lamentations.
By expanding the scope of the discussion far beyond anything that could be practically dealt with within the confines of this forum... by sneakily introducing, piecemeal, ever more claims, you contribute to the breakdown of the conversation we were having.
That's why our little dialogs usually yield such meagre results.
Regards,
The immorality and illegality of Putin's invasion of Ukraine. You are the one constantly going off on tangents that have nothing to do with the conversation.
How about the immorality and illegality of Soros and Western Intelligence Agencies subverting the political process and installing one of the most corrupt puppet regimes in the world today.
There is no “Democracy” or self-determination in Ukraine today. All political opposition has been banned; anyone who opposes Zelensky has disappeared, been imprisoned, or murdered. Zelensky’s most loyal “followers” have been members of the “Azov Brigade” from the very beginning. This is an organization which has a long record of terrorizing and murdering innocent civilians with the support of foreign agencies.
“in 2015, the US Congress removed a ban on funding neo-Nazi groups like Azov Battalion from its year-end spending bill, said an article by The Nation magazine in January 2016. In July 2015, two Congressmen drew up an amendment to the House Defense Appropriations bill that limited "arms, training, and other assistance to the neo-Nazi Ukrainian militia, the Azov Battalion," but the amendment was removed in November following "pressure from the Pentagon," an insider told The Nation."
Western tax dollars at work
What is immoral are people such as yourself who are well aware of the actual situation but who continue spreading false narratives and claiming the moral high ground but whose only goal is to keep the carnage going. Many others here are just plain ignorant but you and I both know Ukrainians including children who have been victimized by incompetent, corrupt and immoral leadership from the West. At this point the situation has become so convoluted that there is no moral high ground. Both sides are bad and it is long past time for the US to get its fingers out of this situation. Thank goodness that this is what President Trump has put his life on the line by promising to do.