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2,151 posted on 08/14/2024 11:29:04 PM PDT by Sobieski at Kahlenberg Mtn. (All along the watchtower fortune favors the bold.)
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To: Sobieski at Kahlenberg Mtn.

Musk is a communist who would enslave you and I to the b.s. ideology of climate change if given the chance. Musk is trying to get on Trump’s good side because when Trump is elected and he starts to clean up government all the EV subsidies and carbon credits would be targeted for elimination and Tesla’s value would drop significantly. Per Tesla’s SEC report Tesla’s profit and positive operating income are due to their selling of government invented carbon credits to other corporations, not selling their EVs. Remember Musk is the largest private contractor for government aka corporatism. Due to his relationship with government he is playing both sides of the fence. Every previous election he voted for the democrat’s candidate and now in 2024 he’s a moderate democrat supporting Trump? The same Trump he didn’t support in 2020. Why isn’t he trying to clean up the democrats? He has been a democrat party supporter ever since he immigrated to the US.

From the Musk-Trump conversation:

.....Musk’s Views on Climate Change and Energy

ELON MUSK: I want to say something about, like, you know, maybe my views on climate change and oil and gas, because I think it’s probably different from what most people would assume, because my views are actually pretty, I think, moderate in this regard, which is that I don’t think we should vilify the oil and gas industry and the people that have worked very hard in those industries to provide the necessary energy to support the economy. And if we were to stop using oil and gas right now, we would all be starving and the economy would collapse.

So it’s you know, I don’t think it’s right to sort of vilify the oil and gas industry. And the world has a certain demand for oil and gas, and it’s probably better if the United States provides that than some other countries. And it would help with prosperity in the US. And at the same time, obviously, my view is, is like, we do over time want to move to a sustainable energy economy, because eventually you do run out of I mean, you run out of oil and gas.

Climate Change Concerns

ELON MUSK: It’s not there. It’s not infinite. And there is some risk. I think it’s not the risk is not as as high as, you know, a lot of people say it is with respect to global warming.

But I think if you just keep increasing the cost of a million in the atmosphere long enough, eventually, it actually simply gets uncomfortable to breathe, people don’t realize this. If you go, if you go past 1000 parts per million of CO2, you start getting headaches and nausea. And so we’re now in the sort of 400 range, we’re adding, I think, about roughly two parts per million per year. So I mean, still gives us what it means, like, we still have quite a bit of time.

But so there’s not like we don’t need to rush and we don’t need to like, you know, stop farmers from farming or, you know, prevent people from having steaks or right basic stuff like that. Like, leave the farmers alone.

DONALD TRUMP: How crazy is that? Where I mean, you have farmers that are not allowed to farm anymore and have to get rid of their cattle and the whole, the whole world.

Fossil Fuels and Electric Cars

DONALD TRUMP: But it’s largely taken its lead from us. I do say, though, I’ve heard in terms of the fossil fuel, because even to create your electric car and create the electricity needed for the electric car, you know, fossil fuel is what really creates that at the generating plants. And, you know, so you sort of can’t get away from it at this moment. I mean, someday you might be able to.

But I do hear we have anywhere from 100 to 500 years left. You know, much of it hasn’t even been found yet.

ELON MUSK: Yeah.

ANWR and Oil Reserves

DONALD TRUMP: But there are tremendous like ANWR. I got ANWR in Alaska approved. Ronald Reagan couldn’t do it. Nobody could do it. Everybody tried. Nobody could do it. I got it approved. The first thing that Biden did was unimprove it to get rid of it. He ended it; his secretary went in and she ended it.

And what a disgrace. That’s ANWR. That’s bigger or they think it could be bigger than Saudi Arabia in Alaska, could be bigger than Saudi Arabia. But they went in and they terminated it.

And I’ll get it going very quickly, because not only is it big for Alaska, I mean, you talk about economic development that for the United States. I mean, that that is they say bigger than Saudi Arabia or the same size and pure, really good stuff. And, you know, they end it. So I think we have, you know, perhaps hundreds of years left. Nobody really knows. But during that time, something will come around that will be very good.

Musk’s Perspective on Climate Change

ELON MUSK: Well, I mean, my estimate would be, you know, a little more aggressive than that. But it’s not the sort of like we’re all going to die in five years stuff that that’s obviously BS.

But I mean, my view is like if you just look at sort of the past million that increments every year, you know, you get sort of two or three past million every year of CO2. I mean, I think some of that it’s problematic if it accelerates, if you start going from two or three to, say, five. And then there may be some situations where you get a step change increase in the CO2. And I think we don’t — we don’t want to get too close to a thousand PPM because like that’s that’s actually makes it uncomfortable to agree, like just existing in a thousand PPM CO2 is on top of that’s like a that’s considered like an industrial hazard.

So so, you know, that’s you start getting headaches and stuff. So even without global warming, it’s not comfortable. So you don’t want to get too close to that.

Transitioning to Sustainable Energy

ELON MUSK: But I mean, I think we’ve got I think we want to just move over and like and if if I don’t know, 50 to 100 years from now, we’re I don’t know, mostly sustainable. I think that’ll probably be OK. So it’s not like the house is on fire immediately, but I think it is something we need to to move towards and on, you know, on balance, it’s probably better to move there faster than slower.

But like I said, without vilifying the oil and gas industry and without causing hardship in the short term, I think this can be done without, you know, people can still have, you know, a stake and they can still drive gasoline cars and, you know, it’s OK.

It’s like it’s not — I don’t think we should vilify people for it, but I think we should just just generally lean in the direction of sustainability. And I actually think solar is going to be a majority of of us energy generation in the future and certainly trending that way. And so you get the solar power, mind that with with with batteries. So because obviously the sun doesn’t shine at night and and they use that to charge the electric cars and you have a long term sustainable solution.

Tesla’s Approach to Environmentalism

ELON MUSK: And you know, that’s what Tesla is trying to move things towards. And I think we’ve made a lot of progress and progress in that regard. But when you look at our cars, we like we don’t believe that environmentalism, that caring about the environment should mean that you have to suffer. So we make sure that our cars are beautiful, that they drive well, that they’re fast, they’re, you know, sexy.

I mean, they’re cool. I mean, the sexy joke Model S, Model 3, Model X and Y spells out sexy is probably most expensive joke out there. But, you know, I just I don’t know, I like cheesy humor, you know, so and but I’m I’m a big fan of like, let’s have an inspiring future and let’s let’s work towards, you know, a better future and would do so without demonizing. Right.

Climate Change Terminology

DONALD TRUMP: I’m OK. You know, it’s very interesting. You use the word global warming and today they use the word climate change because, you know, you have some places that go up and so they were getting themselves in a little trouble with the word global warming because not every place is warming. Some places are going the opposite direction.

But, you know, I’m sort of waiting for you to come up with solar panels on the roofs of your cars and on the trunks of the cars. And it just seems like something that at some point you will come up with. I’m sure you’ll be the first. But it would seem that a solar panel on the roof, you know, on flat surfaces, on certain surfaces might be good, at least in certain areas of the country where you have the or the world where you have the sun.
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Notice Musk says without causing hardship in the short term. His long term goal is to eliminate oil and gas and make you and I or our children serfs. What he says to justify climate change is straight out of the democrat playbook nothing scientific all ideology. Also he may be letting Trump back on X but X still censors any opinion or comment it doesn’t like, just not as blatant as previous owner.

Tesla’s cars are cool they are sexy per Musk, nothing about their ability to compete, without subsidies, in the market with ICE cars and nothing about Tesla’s practicality for everyday use when compared to ICE.


2,152 posted on 08/15/2024 12:01:28 AM PDT by Sobieski at Kahlenberg Mtn. (All along the watchtower fortune favors the bold.)
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