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But I thought there were no emissions with hydrogen, just the risk of really big explosions.
1 posted on 08/03/2024 4:18:04 PM PDT by Eleutheria5
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Methanol contains carbon.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methanol

Somebody (them or me), missed something in Organic Chemistry.

Why not burn the hydrogen directly?
(Yeah. I know)


2 posted on 08/03/2024 4:25:12 PM PDT by William of Barsoom (In Omnia, Paratus)
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Methanol, which can be synthesized to obtain carbonless, green hydrogen.

Excuse me?

3 posted on 08/03/2024 4:28:06 PM PDT by cockroach_magoo (No one is above the law, but some are more above the law than others.)
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cow pharts


4 posted on 08/03/2024 4:28:39 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (What is the cost of lies?)
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Hydrogen requires fuel to be split from O2 in water


6 posted on 08/03/2024 4:35:04 PM PDT by Vaquero (In Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you. )
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I’m getting to the point where I’m not sure it’s even worth responding to this kind of drivel. Terms like Supply and infrastructure mean nothing to these fantasy driven idiots


7 posted on 08/03/2024 4:37:59 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s ("If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there")
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Still trying to harness unicorn farts in order to appease Gaia.


8 posted on 08/03/2024 4:40:22 PM PDT by FLT-bird
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I knew a guy that bought 20 barrels of racing car fuel at an auction. He was able to mix it with regular gas and turn it into a high octane fuel.

He saved a lot of money for awhile.


9 posted on 08/03/2024 4:41:56 PM PDT by Jonty30 (Genghis Khan did not have the most descendants. His father had more. )
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Hydrogen coming from ammonia is produced when it’s needed

Very little hydrogen would be available to ‘explode’


10 posted on 08/03/2024 4:43:05 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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Germany? Methanol?

How long before the U.S. blows up that pipeline?

18 posted on 08/03/2024 5:15:37 PM PDT by T.B. Yoits
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“Methanol releases fewer pollutant gases than traditional marine fuels, such as sulfur oxides (SOx), nitrogen oxides (NOx), and particulate”

This 100 times this^^

Methanol has no sulfur, it doesn’t make particulates and you can run it with a fuel air mix that NOx doesn’t form. Marine diesels are some of the most polluting on the planet each putting out as much as a million card worth. Of this criteria pollutants.

As a added bonus you can make methanol from anything with carbon in it once you gasification plant it. CO + H2 = Methanol at high efficiency. That could be gasified coal, peat,wood or crop wastes,, municipal trash, sewage sludge, harbor dredging spoils,biomass from salt water agriculture, algae, kelp,water hydrilla, the dreaded kudzu killing the South anything that grows anywhere land or ocean based.

Then you can also go from CO2 +3H2 = Methanol this opens up electrons or heat to methanol. Curtailment wind in the middle of the night , or solar in the Sahara. Better yet nuclear power off peak build out fast sodium reactors and run them flat out use the off peak to turn seawater into methanol. Ask the US Navy they already perfected the tech it takes seawater puts it into a bipolar electrolytic cell where the CO2 in the water comes out first then H2 gas you get the co2 for free as the Gibbs energy is lower than H2. Seawater has 150 times the CO2 as air it makes absolute sense to harvest CO2 from seawater so much so the Navy plans to make jet fuel with this tech and it’s carrier’s reactors at sea. They flew a jet already on the JP5 they made using nothing but electric power and seawater. You could also get bulk CO2 from any ethanol plant cheaply, same for brewers, and any sewage plant fermenter bulk CO2 is $50 per tonne on the industrial market cheaper if you have rail access. Water plus CO2 plus any form of electrons = Methanol. Nuclear,Hydro,geothermal,high latitude wind, desert solar all will never run out. Methanol is a vehicle to move carbon and hydrogen. It’s easy to make , three times denser than Hydrogen and can as an industrial chemical be turned into thousands of products from plastics to lubricants to protein powder for animal feed <<< the Chinese are going coal to methanol to complete protein for pig feed right now today.

Methanol also can be used in flexfuel vehicles directly or via the Mobil process to gasoline with a nice by product of propane also a top notch heavy vehicle fuel for clean exhaust.


23 posted on 08/03/2024 7:00:07 PM PDT by GenXPolymath
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Anything but fossil fuels, please! No matter how expensive or inefficient! Our woke religion demands it!


31 posted on 08/03/2024 9:16:36 PM PDT by PGR88
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And just a few years ago we were on the verge of running engines with pure water - I saw the ads🥸


35 posted on 08/04/2024 5:15:41 AM PDT by trebb (So many fools - so little time...)
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INDY CARS HAVE BEEN RUNNING ON METHANOL FOR YEARS, IIRC


37 posted on 08/04/2024 9:52:51 AM PDT by ridesthemiles (not giving up on TRUMP---EVER)
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They ought to use Ethanol.

Pull up to the pump, and get a couple of gallons.

Drive 2 miles home, and drink the rest.

You can tell tales of how far you drove, all the exotic sights you saw, what great milage you got, and how you saved the planet.


39 posted on 08/04/2024 6:01:48 PM PDT by Scrambler Bob (Running Rampant, and not endorsing nonsense; My pronoun is EXIT. And I am generally full of /S)
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