Posted on 07/22/2024 9:33:51 AM PDT by CDR Kerchner
“Being an anchor baby doesn’t make one a Natural Born Citizen”
You’re quite discriminating yet incredibly wrong.
Obama wasn't eligible either - no problem.
Regardless of the legalitiy of the matter - and I don’t disagree - having been sworn in and serving as Vice-President, Harris will not be disqualified to run for president.
“Do not take the bait.
Harris was born in California, making her a citizen.
Parental nationality is irrelevant.”
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No, actually it isn’t irrelevant. The Framers could EASILY (in fact MORE easily) just left the requirements of being POTUS as being 35 or more, having been a resident for 14 years and being a citizen. BUT THEY DIDN’T DO THAT - they added in the words “natural born” for a reason. Just a cursory knowledge of history would inform anyone that they were very concerned about divided loyalty in this office (and events from 2008 to the present have proven that concern to be valid). If you were born here you are a citizen; however, ONLY if you were born to two parents who were also citizens at that time do you grow up in a home with undivided loyalties.
Now, whether it is a wise political move to challenge her eligibility is another question - but Harris is not eligible to be POTUS…and I don’t buy the argument that because Obama got away with it that now that clause means nothing. Does the fact that someone got away with bank robbery or murder once (or 10 times) make those laws either invalid or somehow not sensible?
That would be correct if Czechoslovakia still existed. Since it doesn’t this presents a novel question of the law. If they’re not eligible, then they’re not, period. The same applies to my own children, as they were born before my wife became a citizen.
I get your point, but this is not the hill to die on and not the time to fight this battle.
Voters want to hear solutions, not this stuff.
I agree with this.
Voters want to hear solutions, not this stuff.
Well of course. The media told them it was nonsense, and of course they believe what the media tell them.
Most people don't know enough about the subject to think for themselves, so they just go with the flow.
This is how you handle the subject. Get Trump elected, then have the DOJ investigate and make a presentation to the SCOTUS asking for a ruling if such a person is eligible under.
You ask the SCOTUS to define the term and eligibility for future generations.
That's rather a crap shoot, isn't it?
The liberals will all vote "anybody is a citizen" and the conservatives might vote, only children born to people with no other allegiance, are citizens, and the weather vanes in the middle will vote whichever way they think their friends think.
I don't like the idea of facts being decided by Democracy. Facts are stubborn things, and they continue to be true even when people don't believe in them.
For all intents and purposes, the issue is dead, with the most worthless interpretation being the one most widely believed.
All a Supreme court decision would do would be to lock in the wrong understanding of things, like they did for so many years with Roe v Wade or Plessey v Ferguson or Wickard vs Fillburn.
Harris was born in Oakland CA.
A natural born citizen refers to someone who was a U.S. citizen at birth, and did not need to go through a naturalization proceeding later in life. Under the 14th Amendment's Naturalization Clause and the Supreme Court case of United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 US. 649, anyone born on U.S. soil and subject to its jurisdiction is a natural born citizen, regardless of parental citizenship.
She's a natural born U.S. citizen. End of story!
It is a Monday, and I am busy. I do not have time to provide Mental Health OutPatient Services to reality-challenged individuals. So, for some self-help, see:
You should also maybe cut back on drinking and dope-smoking or whatever sort of self-medication you are doing.
You are wrong. Read “The Who, What, When, Where, Why, and How of the “natural born Citizen” Term In Our United States Constitution”: http://www.kerchner.com/protectourliberty/naturalborncitizen/TheWhoWhatWhenWhereWhyandHowofNBC-WhitePaper.pdf
That ship has done sailed.
The Constitution forbids anyone serving as VEEP who isn’t also eligible to serve as POTUS. Therefore Chlamydia’s 3+ years as sitting VEEP without so much as a single challenge to her eligibility establishes the legal precedent for her tenure as POTUS.
So, ... nice try, but a swing and a miss.
The questions are:
1) Where was she born? Not in the U.S., right?
2) Were her parents U.S. citizens at the time she was born? No, right?
If those are the correct answers, then she is not an NBC (natural born citizen) and should be prevented from running for President.
1) Oakland, CA
2) NO
Harris is a Citizen..not a Natural Born Citizen.
It’s Called Leadership
If Kamala Harris is selected as the Democratic Party’s presidential nominee, Mr. Trump should invite Mrs. Harris as a national leader to bring this issue forward to the federal courts with him since they both have standing to do so. Making sure to explain to her this action has nothing to do with her competency or loyalty but everything to do with the security of the Republic should future presidential candidates with divided loyalties being born of non-citizen parents via 14A §1 run for office.
With our borders being overrun by foreigners, many from adversarial countries, it is far past the time for the courts to do their job and arrive at a singular definition of an Art. II, §1, Cl. 5 natural-born citizen for the common good of We the People.
“A natural born citizen refers to someone who was a U.S. citizen at birth and did not need to go through a naturalization proceeding later in life.” You are correct as far as it goes.
But let’s go further.
The Supreme Court case of United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 US. 649, simply declared Mr. Wong a ‘Citizen at birth’ as does 14A §1.
Further still, statutory construction tells us a general clause (i.e. 14A §1 Citizens at birth clause) can not govern a specific clause (i.e. No Person except a natural-born citizen — Art. II, §1, Cl. 5). Until Congress specifically states via its constitutional authority that “all citizens at birth are natural born citizens” the court MUST give each clause a separate legal effect. That is to say while all Art. II, §1, Cl. 5 natural citizens at birth are citizens by natural right, 14A §1 Citizens at Birth are statutory citizens at birth via the state’s plenary power.
THIS WAS THEIR PLAN ALL ALONG.
How do you remove the cackling black woman from the race without destroying your black voter base? BLAME IT ON SCOTUS!
SCOTUS will rule she is not eligible. SCOTUS will take the blame and the media will assail the SCOTUS and CONSERVATIVES for HATING BLACK PEOPLE.
PROBLEM SOLVED.
WHITMER and NEWSOME become the ticket.
Works brilliantly. They’re smart and devious.
We the People Need More Information About the Backgrounds of Candidates for the Highest Political Offices.
Transparency Requirements for Candidates for President and Vice-President – More Is Needed in Our Modern Electoral Process – Filing The (OGE) Financial Disclosure Form 278e Is Mandatory – The (OPM) National Security Questionnaire Form SF-86 Should Also Be Mandatory: https://cdrkerchner.wordpress.com/2023/05/07/transparency-requirements-for-candidates-for-president-and-vice-president-more-is-needed-in-our-modern-electoral-process-filing-the-oge-financial-disclosure-form-278e-is-mandatory-the-opm-na/
Just so we are on the same page: “’I do not stand here to cavil with men who are not read in the horn-books of the law; but I assert that every man born within the limits of the Republic, or under its flag at sea, of parents who were not the subjects of any other sovereignty, are, in the very words of the Constitution, natural born citizens.’
“John Bingham, framer of Amendment XIV that made Obama, Harris, and Haley US citizens”
Obama, Harris, and Haley were born ... of parents who were the subjects of other sovereignties. However, former slaves born within the jurisdiction of parents who were themselves slaves born within the jurisdiction were natural born citizens.
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