Posted on 07/18/2024 8:48:17 AM PDT by DIRTYSECRET
Police officers can and will lie to you. They may claim that an accomplice has already ratted you out. They may claim to have hard evidence against you, such as video footage of you committing the crime. They may give you completely dishonest answers to your questions. Because they're free to lie, it's important to avoid overly trusting their words.
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They have a SCOTUS right to lie. Guilty until proven innocent doesn't work for the innocents. It's no wonder they're so unpopular.
I have always objected to the idea that law enforcement, investigators, etc. can lie to us. They should never be allowed to lie. And I don’t understand why they are held to account as in ‘when did you stop lying’ or ‘are you lying now or were you lying then’. No more lies.
If you are being questioned as a witness, cooperate and pay close attention to who and what they are asking about.
If you are being interrogated, tell them you will not respond without your lawyer present and STFU. You are likely going to be told that your lack of cooperation is incriminating, but don’t buckle to that. No one was ever interrogated by police because the police want to help them.
*They may claim that an accomplice has already ratted you out.*
7-11 Halloween might. A masked robber on film held up the cashier. The detective summoned the cashier to come to the station. They caught the guy, he ‘confessed’ the cashier was in on it and the ‘body language’ confirmed it. Total lie. The robbery was small potatoes to them as no one got hurt. Your tax dollars at work.
Answer:
The Supreme Court of the United States has indeed given law enforcement officers and interrogators the legal right to use deception during interrogations. This practice has been affirmed in various rulings, most notably in the case of Frazier v. Cupp (1969).
In Frazier v. Cupp, the Supreme Court held that the use of deception by law enforcement during interrogations does not necessarily render a confession inadmissible. In this case, the police falsely told the suspect that his cousin had confessed to the crime and implicated him. The Court ruled that such tactics did not make the suspect's confession involuntary and thus, it was admissible in court.
Additionally, the Supreme Court has allowed certain deceptive practices under the broader context of permissible police conduct. For instance, in Illinois v. Perkins (1990), the Court ruled that undercover agents posing as fellow inmates to elicit confessions did not violate the suspect’s Fifth Amendment rights, as the suspect was not compelled to speak in a coercive environment.
These decisions highlight that while the police cannot use coercion, force, or threats, they are allowed to use various forms of trickery and deception to obtain confessions or information from suspects.
Sources:
Frazier v. Cupp, 394 U.S. 731 (1969)
Illinois v. Perkins, 496 U.S. 292 (1990)
Will you always know whether you are being questioned as a helpful witness or being interrogated as a person of interest or suspect? Since it makes a difference how you respond.
I had a wayward brother. County took him away. He was 13. Burglary.
A city cop came to school asking me about him in regards to another burglary. What they didn’t know is that he was in a youth camp 100 miles away. Very intimidating to a 10 year old. The school wouldn’t stop it. No parental notification.
They will pretend they are asking you as a witness when they’re really trying to get you to say something incriminating. CLICK on the link in POST #5 for actual advice from an attorney on this subject.
So in my cast the city cop didn’t know the county cops took him away. Different levels of government.
So how do you think Trump feels? A justice department prosecutor resigns so that he can go to another jurisdiction(NY) to prosecute him.
Reno-I thank you for the confirmation. I knew it was out there.
Making deliberate false claims in an effort to coerce someone to do something they don’t want to do is the definition of EXTORTION and it is a FELONY everywhere. NO SPECIAL RIGHTS, Government Agents that do this belong in PRISON.
Then there’s the movie “The New Centurions.” George C. Scott and Stacy Keach. The title was taken from the Roman Empire days. It seemed they were very powerful and unpopular. Might be just dealing with human nature.
Both Scott and Keach died in that flick.
What to do?
Shut up and get a lawyer.
This is even more true with crooked agencies like the fibbies.
Will you always know whether you are being questioned as a helpful witness or being interrogated as a person of interest or suspect?
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Not always.
Investigators can be clever and try to open up a dialogue without raising suspicions by appearing to be approaching you about something that you are not suspected of, particularly if they are worried about being able to find you and you aren’t yet a serious suspect, because if you were, they’d immediately try to bring you in to an interrogation room for where your responses can be recorded.
Here is the big dilemma:
If you didn’t commit a crime, and you weren’t in the vicinity when one occurred, and you haven’t even heard about a serious crime happening, then you are likely to let your guard down. It’s a dilemma because you will think you can clear your name by cooperating. Odds are, all things being normal, you could. The problem is, if an investigation has honed in on you, they often drop other leads and will pursue you relentlessly. If this is the case, ANYTHING you say will be used against you. Innocent people do get prosecuted for crimes they didn’t commit.
So if you are asked to “come downtown with us”, it’s lawyer time. If you are approached and asked where you were at a certain time, it’s time to put your guard up. The problem is that you might just be a possible witness.
Quite right! Police can’t interrogate you, if you don’t talk to them. The United States Constitution, the Bill of Rights and other papers can all be contained in a pocket-sized pamphlet or a simple phone app. People don’t read. So, they get all Butt-hurt when the Police trick them into giving-up their rights!
The abuse of We the People by public servants in livery ends when:
1) The public servants end up in prison for assault, battery, malicious damage to property, theft, and murder.
2) The public servants are held personally liable for civil damages resulting from violation of civil and constitutional rights.
3) Qualified immunity (or any other form of immunity) of public servants in livery is ended.
It would be nice if cops had less work to do. They certainly get too much excrement dumped on them. It would free them up to do more of the protect and serve thing. Unfortunately unfettered immigration leads to too many new customs that have to be adjusted to. We’re. biting off more than we can chew.
So how do you slow things down? Put a stop to the left for starters. Squish them like a bug. If we’re lucky there will be a 2 year window to do what Trump couldn’t accomplish his first 2 years in office. There just needs to be enough populist policies to keep the people’s support. Put the pressure on senators up in ‘26. Many are old democrats that’ll quit. Light a fire under the asses of Linda/Cassidy.
The link in post 5 contains a lecture by a law school professor on why not to talk to police. In addition to being informative it’s quite entertaining. It underscores what I’ve been saying for years - the police are NOT your friends.
I know this is a serious subject, but the hilarious video can serve as the humorous diversion, before returning to the serious subject at hand!
If they read you your rights you are a suspect. Shut up and exercise those rights.
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