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To: ShadowAce

And fossil fuels have 100 times the energy density of lithium ion batteries. Battery electric vehicles were a bad idea in the 19th century when they were first invented and still a bad idea today even though lithium ion batteries have 5 times the energy density of the original EV batteries (but still only about 1% of gasoline)


25 posted on 05/29/2024 11:56:53 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy - EVs a solution for which there is no problem)
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To: from occupied ga

Gasoline is going to be too expensive to just burn it to the sky. That’s a mathematical fact. There are people alive today that will witness the end of the fossil fuel era,not the end of petrochemicals the two are vastly different and it would be wise to know that critical difference. When not if 8 billion humans demand access and use of liquid hydrocarbons for fuel use the 47 years of technically recoverable resources not reserves again know the difference gets drastically cut.

Humans need to move as rapidly as possible away from burning liquid hydrocarbons to the sky and using them only for petrochemicals, medications, fertilizers,lubricants and polymers.

This is an urban planet most people now live in cities with very short daily transportation distances. There is no need for urbanites to have a 300+ mile range vehicle none at all on a daily or even weekly basis.

Most urbanites take two trips per year further than 500km the vast majority of trips are under 30km a day. There are no less than a half dozen battery technologies that can cover 100km per day or less. LFP and Sodium ion being the current leaders in cycle life and charge rates. The small group of people who live rural are not representative of what is urban reality. Rural is over represented in this board that much is obvious by the lack of knowledge of what real urban life is like. A lot of people don’t even own cars in NYC, London, Tokyo or Mexico City. Parking is a nightmare , and expensive to say the least about congestion tolls and super high insurance rates. When I am in those cities it’s all metro ,uber or taxis never rent a car that’s a fool’s errand in an urban core or megacity. You rapidly realize you don’t need a car in high density you time share a mode of transportation. Ebikes and as it down or stand up scooters makes the last few miles a breeze with a QR code and an app it’s seconds to timeshare an asset.

So the key market is the suburbs as urbanites have many tranpo options other than car ownership and the lower and middle class are priced out of ownership by design in the city cores. Suburbanites have 40 mile or less commutes on a daily basis here again no need for a 300 mile plus range. L2 home charging for a couple.hours per night covers 40 miles round trip. Having been to Shanghai where 85% live in condos or apartments and seen how 50% of new vehicles are EVs the argument that apartment and condos cannot have EVs due to charging is a flat out lie. L2 charge points are EVERYWHERE in China every apartment parking lot has L2 points by the dozens every other stall had a power pole and two cords so do condos and they have bucees sized HVDC state run supercharger stations wwith 50+ stalls in them. China is liquid hydrocarbons short and nuclear and coal heavy their electric grid is not some 1900s nightmare either they have 400v triple phase everywhere down to the individual condo units. The air is getting better over there as they phase out diesels and 2 cycles for EVs. Shanghai transportation system puts even NYC metro to shame it’s clean , efficient and on time all the time.


27 posted on 05/29/2024 12:21:20 PM PDT by GenXPolymath
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