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To: maddog55

Tell us about law and tactics involving Pres Trump and DeSantis ignoring the epic lawlessness and lawfare.


150 posted on 05/21/2024 4:27:31 PM PDT by Freest Republican (There is no tyranny that cannot be justified by imbeciles)
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To: Freest Republican

The raid was bullshxt. That being said, anytime a person of high interest like an former president , senator etc is raided in any state by federal law enforcement like the FBI the state govermment is notified so DeSantis knowing of the raid in advance is nothing new. Local law enforcement is also notified and often helps. That’s reality.

Did you expect DeSantis to call Trump and say “Hey you’re going to be raised by the FBI this morning.”

As for deadly force.. there were SS officers protecting Trump, they were armed. They were given a heads up just before the raid as to not be a threat.

Sirens, FBI, cops show up at Trump’s MAL. There’s the possibility of numerous Trump supporters showing up. You can bet the majority didn’t want to be there. Florida is a constitutional carry state. There’s a threat to law enforcement. Law enforcement was not there to potentially assassinate Trump. That is total bullshxt. The use of deadly force is authorized in the event law enforcement faces a potential threat. It’s SOP.

The law:

ยง 1047.7 Use of deadly force.

(a) Deadly force means that force which a reasonable person would consider likely to cause death or serious bodily harm. Its use may be justified only under conditions of extreme necessity, when all lesser means have failed or cannot reasonably be employed. A protective force officer is authorized to use deadly force only when one or more of the following circumstances exists:

(1) Self-Defense. When deadly force reasonably appears to be necessary to protect a protective force officer who reasonably believes himself or herself to be in imminent danger of death or serious bodily harm.

(2) Serious offenses against persons. When deadly force reasonably appears to be necessary to prevent the commission of a serious offense against a person(s) in circumstances presenting an imminent danger of death or serious bodily harm (e.g. sabotage of an occupied facility by explosives).

(3) Nuclear weapons or nuclear explosive devices. When deadly force reasonably appears to be necessary to prevent the theft, sabotage, or unauthorized control of a nuclear weapon or nuclear explosive device.

(4) Special nuclear material. When deadly force reasonably appears to be necessary to prevent the theft, sabotage, or unauthorized control of special nuclear material from an area of a fixed site or from a shipment where Category II or greater quantities are known or reasonably believed to be present.

(5) Apprehension. When deadly force reasonably appears to be necessary to apprehend or prevent the escape of a person reasonably believed to: (i) have committed an offense of the nature specified in paragraphs (a)(1) through (a)(4) 1 of this section; or (ii) be escaping by use of a weapon or explosive or who otherwise indicates that he or she poses a significant threat of death or serious bodily harm to the protective force officer or others unless apprehended without delay.

1 These offenses are considered by the Department of Energy to pose a significant threat of death or serious bodily harm.

(b) Additional Considerations Involving Firearms. If it becomes necessary to use a firearm, the following precautions shall be observed:

(1) A warning, e.g. an order to halt, shall be given, if feasible, before a shot is fired.

(2) Warning shots shall not be fired.

So that’s law and tactics.

The raid should have never happened, Trump did nothing wrong and yes this is lawfare. I’m not not arguing that. The Laura Loomer take was bullshxt.


187 posted on 05/22/2024 4:12:33 AM PDT by maddog55 (The only thing systemic in America is the left's hatred of it!)
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To: Freest Republican

FYI the particular law cited (I picked one of many) depends on circumstances for federal agents and varies from state to state for local law enforcement.

There’s tons of info..

https://www.justice.gov/olp/justice-department-fact-sheet-implementing-executive-order-advancing-effective-accountable


188 posted on 05/22/2024 4:32:18 AM PDT by maddog55 (The only thing systemic in America is the left's hatred of it!)
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