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Cass Elliot Sandwich Myth Was Manager’s Invention, Says Daughter
UltimateClassicRock ^ | May 6, 2024 | Martin Kielty

Posted on 05/07/2024 7:01:07 PM PDT by nickcarraway

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To: virgil

I had forgotten he died in Bangkok. Looking back, he was one weirdo if I ever saw one.


41 posted on 05/07/2024 8:51:30 PM PDT by Macho MAGA Man (The last two weren't balloons. One was a cylindrical objects Trump is being given the Alex Jones tr)
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To: TigersEye

(Seems like a lot of musicians were screwed by their managers.)

Yep! David Bowie’s manager screwed him out of all the money he was making in the 70’s. Bowie finally took command of the situation and fired him then went on to make millions.


42 posted on 05/07/2024 8:53:43 PM PDT by Macho MAGA Man (The last two weren't balloons. One was a cylindrical objects Trump is being given the Alex Jones tr)
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To: Macho MAGA Man

Grand Funk Railroad is another classic example of a band that got screwed by their manager.


43 posted on 05/07/2024 8:55:44 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: dfwgator

You’re exactly right.


44 posted on 05/07/2024 9:11:37 PM PDT by Macho MAGA Man (The last two weren't balloons. One was a cylindrical objects Trump is being given the Alex Jones tr)
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To: Macho MAGA Man

Leonard Cohen also got swindled by his manager.


45 posted on 05/07/2024 9:16:14 PM PDT by Rockingham (`)
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To: Rockingham; All

Didn’t the Beatles also get screwed by their first manager?


46 posted on 05/07/2024 9:23:08 PM PDT by TigersEye (Our Republic is under seige by globalist Marxists. Hold fast!)
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To: Rockingham

Big time! I just read up on it.


47 posted on 05/07/2024 9:34:42 PM PDT by Macho MAGA Man (The last two weren't balloons. One was a cylindrical objects Trump is being given the Alex Jones tr)
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To: Macho MAGA Man

One night in Bangkok can make a hard man humble...


48 posted on 05/07/2024 9:45:47 PM PDT by Noumenon (You're not voting your way out of this. KTF)
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To: Macho MAGA Man

John Fogerty, Tom Petty...and of course, Elvis.


49 posted on 05/07/2024 10:31:49 PM PDT by MikelTackNailer (We can never stop failing for the minute we do, we fail.)
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To: MattMusson

LOL!


50 posted on 05/07/2024 10:32:38 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: MikelTackNailer

Zanz Kant Danz but he’ll steal your money.


51 posted on 05/07/2024 10:37:49 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: TigersEye

Brian Epstein, the Beatles’ first manager, did much to make them a success by insisting that they get properly groomed and adopt a clean image. That helped launch the Beatles from seedy small clubs to larger concert venues, TV appearances, and hit records. By today’s standards, Epstein’s contracts with the Beatles were too lush for him and his business practices were shady and often dishonest. Yet, as the Beatles themselves admitted, they signed their contracts with Epstein without reading them and found the money they actually netted and their success far beyond their expectations.


52 posted on 05/07/2024 11:52:39 PM PDT by Rockingham (`)
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To: Macho MAGA Man
Billy Joel lost $90 million from his manager stealing from him.

-PJ

53 posted on 05/08/2024 12:09:53 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too ( * LAAP = Left-wing Activist Agitprop Press (formerly known as the MSM))
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To: Rockingham

Thanks.

It’s been a long long time now since I paid attention to news about bands and musicians and the details have faded. I knew there was some question about his honesty/ethics but that description of things is true, he had a lot to do with their success.

The Beatles certainly made enough money to make a lot of people rich.


54 posted on 05/08/2024 12:13:47 AM PDT by TigersEye (Our Republic is under seige by globalist Marxists. Hold fast!)
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To: dfwgator; Rockingham
"Vanz Kant Danz" (1985)

Heard the sleaze was actually a guy named Yantce but John had enough legal trouble just trying to get some of his stolen money back.

Beatles! Unlike "Colonel" Parker Brian Epstein was not just a manager but a genius song collaborator and recording engineer who truly earned the sobriquet "the Fifth Beatle" whom without him would have probably sputtered out before getting out of Liverpool.

55 posted on 05/08/2024 12:19:37 AM PDT by MikelTackNailer (The special love I had for you...I'll paint it blue.)
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To: nickcarraway

Cass Elliot was a hell of a singer. I’ve always liked “Make Your Own Kind of Music.”

It’s very sad if adults really were asking 7-year-old Owen about the circumstances of her mother’s demise. People can be such a-holes.


56 posted on 05/08/2024 12:34:37 AM PDT by irishjuggler
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To: TigersEye; MikelTackNailer
I am not interested in music much but am drawn to the legal and business aspects of the entertainment industry. With exceptions, musicians tend to begin as dolts about how the music industry works and then learn through unhappy experience. The drugs, alcohol, dissolute lifestyles, and wishful thinking common to musicians also tend to put them at a disadvantage.

Many musicians naturally prefer to put friends and hangers on into business and advisory roles instead of finding and hiring the best they can get. Part of the hard lesson for musicians is that good and honest managers, lawyers, accountants, and financial mangers are expensive and are almost always straight laced types who do not live like musicians and lack an artistic temperament.

As for Brian Epstein, the so-called "Fifth Beatle," his commingling of the roles of friend and manager invited problems, as did his amphetamine use. The Beatles have cause for complaint as to Epstein's contract terms and business dealings, but they invited that trouble by their own carelessness. And the Beatles also have reason to be grateful to Epstein for helping bring them from a minor British club act to worldwide phenomenon.

57 posted on 05/08/2024 1:12:07 AM PDT by Rockingham (`)
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To: ansel12
"I believe the sandwich was considered a myth even back when the death was fresh, or at least shortly after."

I think the cynical myth was that the sandwich was a Hardee's Deluxe Husky.
58 posted on 05/08/2024 1:37:51 AM PDT by clearcarbon (Fraudulent elections have consequences.)
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To: Macho MAGA Man

Yes but Carradine’s family couldn’t ‘fix’ his death cert, as it happened in a foreign country. He had gone into a cut rate brothel for kinky stuff, was all strung up and had a heart attack. The ‘service’ people just walked out and left his body there.


59 posted on 05/08/2024 3:55:44 AM PDT by ArtDodger
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To: nickcarraway

She was likely killed. She knew everything about everyone in the music industry.

-SB


60 posted on 05/08/2024 3:59:35 AM PDT by Snowybear (Liberalism is a mental disorder)
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