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Lithium-free sodium batteries exit the lab and enter US production
New Atlas ^
| May 6, 2024
| C.C. Weiss
Posted on 05/06/2024 11:51:18 AM PDT by Red Badger
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To: Red Badger
If you liked Lithium Battery fires, you’ll love Sodium Battery fires.
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posted on
05/06/2024 11:53:56 AM PDT
by
G Larry
(Biden Fundraising Failure: More advertising for rotting fish is unlikely to improve sales....)
To: Red Badger
Is it practical for EV batteries? I was wondering about it’s power output potential as compared to Lithium.
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posted on
05/06/2024 11:55:07 AM PDT
by
oldtech
To: oldtech
I had read somewhere that it was non-flammable....????
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posted on
05/06/2024 11:56:15 AM PDT
by
oldtech
To: oldtech
Natron intends to expand its focus to other industrial power markets in the future, mentioning EV fast-charging and telecommunications as targets...............
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posted on
05/06/2024 11:56:39 AM PDT
by
Red Badger
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To: oldtech
We haven't seen a weight-based energy density figure from Natron itself, but a 2022 article from Chemical & Engineering News put its sodium-ion batteries at 70 Wh/kg, around the very bottom of the sodium-ion energy density scale. That aligns well with the company's stationary-only business plan, as sodium-ion batteries being pursued for potential mobility use have more than double that density. CATL showed a 160 Wh/kg sodium-ion battery in 2021 and has plans to increase that density over 200 Wh/kg to better meet the needs of electric vehicles.
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posted on
05/06/2024 11:57:31 AM PDT
by
Red Badger
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To: oldtech
Bear in mind that sodium is heavier than lithium:
“Sodium is a heavier element than lithium, with an atomic weight 3.3 times greater than lithium (sodium 23 g/mol vs lithium 6.9 g/mol)...................
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posted on
05/06/2024 11:59:15 AM PDT
by
Red Badger
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To: oldtech
It’s not the lithium that ignites, it’s the electrolyte.
Much less dangerous than gasoline, though
To: BereanBrain
But heavier, so stationary applications.
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posted on
05/06/2024 12:05:10 PM PDT
by
Bayard
To: Red Badger
does this battery have any chance of breaking the chinese lock on the lithium ion battery market?
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posted on
05/06/2024 12:05:36 PM PDT
by
ckilmer
To: Red Badger
“can be procured through a reliable US-based domestic supply chain free from geopolitical disruption.”
Can’t have that. The regime will shut it down in a heartbeat.
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posted on
05/06/2024 12:11:53 PM PDT
by
dljordan
(What do you think?)
To: oldtech
In HS Chemistry, I dropped a little sodium on the counter and it ate its way through the surface down above 1/4 inch; I seem to recall flames.
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posted on
05/06/2024 12:15:40 PM PDT
by
DPMD
(ua)
To: DPMD
I recall a river barge loaded with sodium-something (of course, I forget he exact compound) - the barge sank.
Lots of work to refloat that barge, that could have blown up the nearby bridge.
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posted on
05/06/2024 12:18:40 PM PDT
by
linMcHlp
To: oldtech
They don’t burn but explode ?
To: ckilmer
Sure. Industrial applications....................
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posted on
05/06/2024 12:20:23 PM PDT
by
Red Badger
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To: BereanBrain
It’s not the lithium that ignites, it’s the electrolyte. Much less dangerous than gasoline, though What is less dangerous than gasoline, lithium electrolyte or sodium?
Lithium battery fires are almost impossible to extinguish. They have to simply run their course. I don't see how that is safer than gasoline.
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05/06/2024 12:20:39 PM PDT
by
Yo-Yo
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To: Red Badger
Less range and lots more charging ? That will PO people
To: linMcHlp
If only the research could get billions of dollars in guvment grants to complete this project. Just name it as Solyndra Studies.
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05/06/2024 12:23:24 PM PDT
by
Mark
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To: oldtech
Is it practical for EV batteries? I was wondering about it’s power output potential as compared to Lithium. From the article:
Natron says its batteries charge and discharge at rates 10 times faster than lithium-ion, a level of immediate charge/discharge capability that makes the batteries a prime contender for the ups and downs of backup power storage. Also helping in that use case is an estimated lifespan of 50,000 cycles.
That being said, sodium batteries are being looked at for load leveling storage for wind and solar farms, not for vehicles at this time.
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05/06/2024 12:23:51 PM PDT
by
Yo-Yo
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To: Red Badger
Can we harvest sodium from sea water for a reasonable cost?
What kind of energy in-put is required to break up the Sodium Chloride molecule?
Has anyone here seen photos of lithium leaching ponds?
Completely hideous from an environmental point of view.
There are dozens of greenish yellow ponds that can take up hundreds of acres.
It must cost tens of millions of dollars to rehabilitate the land after the lithium has been extracted.
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posted on
05/06/2024 12:33:22 PM PDT
by
zeestephen
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