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Was America Evil to Drop Atomic Bombs on Japan?
The Intellectual Takeout ^ | May 1, 2024 | Kurt Mahlburg

Posted on 05/04/2024 7:00:50 PM PDT by DoodleBob

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To: DoodleBob
Win the War Blues--Sonny Boy Williamson (1944)

Uncle Sam is going to give me a Thunderbolt;
He wants me to fly way above the clouds
Uncle Sam is going to give me a Thunderbolt;
He wants me to fly way above the clouds.
He wants me to drop a bomb on the Japanese,
I've really got to make my baby proud...

I want to drop a bomb and set a Japanese city on fire;
I want to drop a bomb and set a Japanese city on fire.
Not because they're so rotten; I just love to see them die.

141 posted on 05/04/2024 11:05:24 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: DoodleBob
Astoundingly, even after Little Boy fell on Hiroshima on August 6th and flattened the city, the Japanese leadership refused to countenance surrender. It was only after Fat Boy Man annihilated Nagasaki three days later that [...]

Such errors damage credibility.

Regards,

142 posted on 05/04/2024 11:08:31 PM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
And, no, I don’t accept the idea that Russia was about the beat Japan for us and make our invasion of the home islands unnecessary.

It was entirely coincidental that the Soviets waiting for two days after the bombing of Hiroshima to finally declare war on Japan - when it became clear that Japan was going to lose anyway!

Yeah, sure!

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143 posted on 05/04/2024 11:10:51 PM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: DoodleBob; All
Anyone know what alternative Carlson proposes?

Regards,

144 posted on 05/04/2024 11:13:29 PM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: dfwgator
Saved Japan from Soviet occupation in the North.

At the cost of surrendering territory to the Soviets (half of Sakhalin; the Kurile Islands).

At the close of WWII, the Soviets grabbed territory from virtually every combatant nation - whether friend or foe - which it bordered.

Regards,

145 posted on 05/04/2024 11:17:08 PM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: Racketeer
You damned right it was evil. War is evil. If we have more evil in war we have less war.

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146 posted on 05/04/2024 11:20:28 PM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: DoodleBob

It would have been evil if we nuked them after they surrendered.


147 posted on 05/04/2024 11:22:54 PM PDT by Ben Dover (Terrorism is a cancer that can only be cured with massive doses of radiation.)
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To: Redleg Duke; skepsel
I may be mistaken, but I think it was “Tall Boy” and “Fat Man”.

Too bad there isn't some sort of online information repository where we could fact-check simple, uncontroversial statements like that, before we open our traps!

Regards,

148 posted on 05/04/2024 11:23:29 PM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: Ronald77
The united states [sic] was broke and wouldn’t have been able to continue the war and would have been forced into negotiating peace terms.

Please provide supporting evidence for this assertion!

Regards,

149 posted on 05/04/2024 11:28:18 PM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

“but plenty of American lives were saved too.”

If there had been an invasion and battle for Japan in late ‘45 - early ‘46, my then 18-year-old father likely would have been part of the infantry force. And he’d have had about 50% chance of not making it home, and thus me never existing. Truman and Co. did what they had to do. If you can win the war with two lousy bombs and save a half a million (or more) American lives, you do it. Truman would have deserved to be impeached, tried and executed for treason if he hadn’t dropped the damned things.


150 posted on 05/04/2024 11:32:33 PM PDT by irishjuggler
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To: delta7
A half dozen or so so countries have developed nuclear bombs and have them at their disposal- The US is the only one that has ever used them-…. I don’t really care about world opinion- but their logic is sound

Please clearly state the "logical conclusion" of this argument.

1. Several countries have developed A bombs. (Statement of fact)

2. Only the U.S. has used A bombs. (Statement of fact)

3. Therefore... ?

You seem to be implying something - maybe a moral assertion? Please state it explicitly!

Don't be coy! Spit it out!

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151 posted on 05/04/2024 11:32:39 PM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: doorgunner69
Russian army was several thousand miles away. Would have been months before they could have had any effect. Stupid, perverse old liberal talking point.

Soviet forces already in the Far East were poised to invade Manchuria and capture and disarm Japanese soldiers.

Two days after Hiroshima was bombed, and it was clear to even a blind man that Japan could be A-bombed to smithereens, the Soviets finally declared war on Japan.

They then promptly invaded Manchuria and captured millions of Japanese soldiers.

As a consequence of two days of fighting, the Soviets were rewarded with the southern half of Sakhalin and the Kurile Islands.

Regards,

152 posted on 05/04/2024 11:38:22 PM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: DoodleBob

They should have considered the consequences before bombing Pearl Harbor.


153 posted on 05/04/2024 11:42:09 PM PDT by meyer (Psalm 83)
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To: DoodleBob
No...

After the horrors of Nanking, the Japs are damn lucky the Chinese didn't invade and extract revenge like the Russians did to Germany.

154 posted on 05/04/2024 11:42:14 PM PDT by AFret. (.)
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To: MV=PY; Ronald77
Ronald77: "The japs had atomic bombs and had tested them off the Korean coast making it a necessity for us to use the bombs to end the war."

MV=PY: I've never heard that, and can't find anything about it with a casual internet search. Do you have a reference? Genuinely curious...

By the time of the A-bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the Japanese didn't have even the rudiments of an atomic bomb.

It is ludicrous to make such a claim, and it is insulting that such a claim should be made without supporting evidence.

Regards,

155 posted on 05/04/2024 11:45:09 PM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: DoodleBob

No

Japan had legit grievances before WWII

but they behaved horribly in pursuit of those claims primarily for more natural resources access from Nanking on

Hence they got what they deserved

Ring a bell with today?


156 posted on 05/04/2024 11:48:32 PM PDT by wardaddy (. A disease in the public mind btw Alina Habba is fine as grits)
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To: frnewsjunkie
Truman was not going to fight a war on both sides of the US.. Atlantic and Pacific.

Your statement is so false and jumbled that it isn't even wrong. Nevertheless, let me try to untangle and debunk it:

Truman was sworn in as president on April 12, 1945. At that time, America was still at war with Germany (the Atlantic side) and still at war with Japan (the Pacific side). Germany surrendered roughly a month later. Meaning that Germany had already been knocked out of the war by the time (thank goodness!) the A bombs were dropped.

(Most of WWII was fought by the U.S. under the leadership of Roosevelt, not Truman - and it was fought mercilessly on both sides of our country - though the European theatre was given priority.)

So I don't understand what the hell you are trying to say.

Regards,

157 posted on 05/04/2024 11:56:58 PM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: John S Mosby
Most do not and think it was Tojo’s last gasp).

By the war's end, Tojo had already been sent away in disgrace / sidelined for more than a year (prompted by the fall of Saipan - but not only because of that).

Two days after Tojo resigned, the Emperor gave him an imperial rescript offering him unusually lavish praise for his "meritorious services and hard work" and declaring "Hereafter we expect you to live up to our trust and make even greater contributions to military affairs". - Wikipedia

In other words: He was removed from power and likely expected to go and raise cucumbers in his garden for the remainder of his life.

Regards,

158 posted on 05/05/2024 12:03:08 AM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: volare737
It’s a shame we didn’t have them and drop them three years earlier. Think of the lives that coild have been saved.

We wouldn't have had the necessary guts to have done that three years prior.

We needed the cold-blooded resolve that comes with fighting a terrible, merciless enemy for three years.

The American public would not have been able to stomach such an act, at that point in the course of the war.

Regards,

159 posted on 05/05/2024 12:06:44 AM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: John S Mosby
But the nazis also had developed a TransAtlantic bomber to hit the East Coast of the US.

The Nazis had also developed plans for Moon rockets.

The stuff of science fiction.

Not worth debating!

Regards,

160 posted on 05/05/2024 12:08:52 AM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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