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To: woodpusher
There is an Hawaiian birth record, proved by the State,

You must think the founders believed in playing stupid little games with the truth.

Here is truth.

Hawaii will create *FAKE* birth certificates for people not actually born there. This undermines any such document for proving someone was actually born in Hawaii.

Hawaii has not even *SHOWN* us the original record. They've shown us a fabrication, easily demonstrated to be a fabrication.

The Framers didn't say "show birth certificate." So it's not a requirement. What *IS* a requirement is proof that someone is a "natural born citizen."

Whether it be by your 14th amendment naturalization standard, or an actual correct standard of being born to an American father, Hawaii has provided no proof of either thing being true.

Nobody has shown proof that Obama was born in Hawaii. There is in fact some proof that he was born in Kenya, though I don't believe any of that nonsense. I think he claimed to have been born in Kenya because he thought it made him sound more exotic or something, but it was just another lie he told.

So the fact remains, the only thing that has been put forth is a non-determinitive document that doesn't serve as actual proof of being a 14th amendment citizen.

Judges will accept any codswallop so long as it follows the procedures they have been brainwashed to believe are correct. Reality doesn't matter to them.

131 posted on 04/26/2024 3:19:28 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp
The Framers didn't say "show birth certificate." So it's not a requirement. What *IS* a requirement is proof that someone is a "natural born citizen."

The Framers DID say, at Article 4, Section 1:

Full faith and credit shall be given in each state to the public acts, records, and judicial proceedings of every other state. And the Congress may by general laws prescribe the manner in which such acts, records, and proceedings shall be proved, and the effect thereof.

Hawaii proved and published documentation of Obama's birth, just as the Framers stated in the Constitution. And the Framers said that when that is done, "Full faith and credit shall be given in each state to the public acts, records, and judicial proceedings of every other state." That applies even in the State of DiogenesLamp.

132 posted on 04/26/2024 7:07:08 PM PDT by woodpusher
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