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To: CDR Kerchner
"Both parents"? Wilson's and Hoover's mothers were born abroad. In those days, by law, a wife assumed her husband's US citizenship. For years, US authorities didn't care if one parent was born abroad and didn't go through a naturalization process. Even if natural born citizens are different from citizens from birth, there isn't any reason for adding the requirement that both parents be citizens.
21 posted on 04/01/2024 3:02:34 PM PDT by x
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To: x
A natural born Citizen at birth is a kind of Citizen that is a subset of all "Citizens at birth". Think logic, set and subsets, and Euler Diagrams to clarity of thinking. Adjectives mean something.

http://www.kerchner.com/images/protectourliberty/eulerlogicdiagram-citizenshipsets.jpg

As to the "natural born Citizen" status of all the U.S. Presidents up to modern times, see: https://www.scribd.com/doc/302783665/Presidents-of-USA-Grandfathered-or-Natural-Born-Citizen-or-Frauds

For more about the constitutional term "natural born Citizen" and in particular WHY the founders and framers chose that term for the eligibility requirements for future Presidents and Commanders in Chief, and later via the 14th Amendment it was applied to the office of VP too, read this "White Paper" I wrote on that constitutional term: http://www.kerchner.com/protectourliberty/naturalborncitizen/TheWhoWhatWhenWhereWhyandHowofNBC-WhitePaper.pdf
23 posted on 04/01/2024 3:18:28 PM PDT by CDR Kerchner ( retired military officer, natural law, Vattel, presidential, eligibility, natural born Citizen )
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To: x
It is not where the parents were born that is the constitutional issue re "natural born Citizen" (nbC) status for their children. It is whether the parents were U.S. Citizens when their children were born in the USA. Under Natural Law it takes Citizens to procreate a "natural born Citizen". The original Citizens of the new nation of the USA were not a "natural born Citizen". That is why there is a "grandfather clause" of them in the presidential eligibility clause. The children of the original Citizens were the first "natural born Citizen" kind. To learn more about the term "natural born Citizen" and WHY the founders and framers chose that term for future Presidents and Commanders in Chief once the founding generation was gone read my White Paper on the subject:

http://www.kerchner.com/protectourliberty/naturalborncitizen/TheWhoWhatWhenWhereWhyandHowofNBC-WhitePaper.pdf

Once you read it with an objective mind and some critical thinking you will understand the importance of the nbC term in the presidential eligibility clause and why allowing Obama to usurp it was a big mistake. And that has led the country to status we are in now. Without following the supreme law of the land, the U.S. Constitution, this nation is doomed. And just because the usurper Obama and Harris got away with it, does not mean we should allow more to get away with it. Nor should we not try to stop future usurpations. If one or two persons gets away with robbing a bank that does not mean we should not keep trying to stop future bank robbers. Read the White Paper that I linked to previously for a full understanding of the Who, What, When, Why, and How the nbC term got into the Presidential Eligibility clause.
27 posted on 04/01/2024 3:31:40 PM PDT by CDR Kerchner ( retired military officer, natural law, Vattel, presidential, eligibility, natural born Citizen )
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To: x; Seruzawa
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Here’s some information to shed light on what you stated from another thread where these issues were discussed:

If the Framers did not intend for the phrase they put into the Constitution - Natural Born Citizen - to mean what it meant at the time they wrote it, they would have written out a definition into the Constitution to redefine it. Since they did not, we can only assume it meant what the phrase meant when they wrote it out - the English common law definition - those born within the borders of the realm are naturally born citizens. There are a number of court cases where it is defined in this manner with regard to those born with far looser connections to the United States than Marco Rubio, Chester Arthur, (or Kamala Harris). The first case where it seems this was dealt with by a court was Lynch vs. Clarke in New York over a dispute with who could inherit property - there was a law on the books stating that only a “U.S. Citizen” could inherit property, and the presiding judge (apparently in this court the judge was called a “Vice Chancellor”) made this declaration: “Suppose a person should be elected president who was native born, but of alien parents; could there be any reasonable doubt that he was eligible under the Constitution? I think not. The position would be decisive in his favor, that by the rule of the common law, in force when the Constitution was adopted, he is a citizen...Upon principle, therefore, I can entertain no doubt, but that by the law of the United States, every person born within the dominions and allegiance of the United States, whatever the situation of his parents, is a natural born citizen. It is surprising that there has been no judicial decision upon this question.” In another case decided by the U.S. Supreme Court over the citizenship of a person born who was born to Chinese parents (it was illegal at that time for Chinese immigrants to become U.S. Citizens) it was declared that he was a natural born citizen by virtue of having been born in the United States, and Justice Field, who wrote the opinion, actually referenced the Lynch v. Clarke decision in the ruling of the Court: “After an exhaustive examination of the law, the Vice-Chancellor said that he entertained no doubt that every person born within the dominions and allegiance of the United States, whatever the situation of his parents, was a natural-born citizen, and added that this was the general understanding of the legal profession, and the universal impression of the public mind.” This case was In re Look Tin Sing. Another U.S. Supreme Court case was United States v. Wong Kim Ark https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/169/649 dealing with the same issue of a child born to Chinese parents made the same ruling and also declared him to be a natural born citizen in the ruling by virtue of his right to citizenship by birth. All of those cases were in the 1800s.

There was a U.S. Supreme Court case in 1939 with the title Perkins v. Elg http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-supreme-court/307/325.html which dealt with the issue of a woman who was born in the U.S. to Swedish citizens who returned to Sweden with her when she was four years old. Her father was naturalized prior to this as a U.S. Citizen and held dual citizenship. She then came back to the U.S. and was admitted entry as a citizen at the age of 21. For whatever reason, her father later did away with his U.S. Citizenship status and the equivalent of the INS at the time declared she was to be deported. The U.S. Supreme Court ruled against this, finding she was a natural born U.S. Citizen by right of birth and even declared she was eligible to be President of the United States in the ruling. A past President, Chester Arthur, was born with an Irish father who was not yet naturalized as a U.S. Citizen, though his mother was born in Vermont where Arthur himself was born.

Detractors like to ignore all of information and court cases and instead rely totally on a case Minor v. Happersett - seeming to deliberately misquote the ruling - indeed, the justices specifically stated they were not making a finding of every scenario that constitutes a natural born citizen in their ruling: “The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their [p168] parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first. ***For the purposes of this case it is not necessary to solve these doubts.***” Minor v. Happersett - full text of ruling https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/88/162

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30 posted on 04/01/2024 3:39:48 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: x
"Both parents"? Wilson's and Hoover's mothers were born abroad. In those days, by law, a wife assumed her husband's US citizenship.

This is absolutely correct. The wife's citizenship did not matter. Only the father.

41 posted on 04/01/2024 8:10:39 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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