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To: monkeyshine

“According to FindLaw, in 2011, the Los Angeles County Superior Court ruled that using traffic camera photos as evidence is unenforceable because there is no witness to testify against the driver. However, as of November 2023, some urban areas will again use speed cameras starting in 2024.”


15 posted on 03/10/2024 9:54:47 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT ( "The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!"Dien Bien Phu last message)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

I’ll have to look into the new change. Yes, there is no witness. Only a photo. But as I recall at the time the issue was not just no testimony but no ability to cross examine. The state did prosecute a few cases and brought in “experts” who swore the cameras were accurate but ultimately that is also dubious. They are not the ones taking the photo and again nobody was able to physically examine the cameras. Anyone can photoshop an image.

Also if I recall, the revenue is or was split with the company that operated them. Which does create a conflict of interest. It’s in the operators interest to generate fines. And it’s in the cities’ interests to mess with traffic patterns and lights to purposefully frustrate drivers to generate fines. You know if you make the next light you’ll make the next 10 lights, so maybe you go a little faster for a few 100 feet. Which is unsafe; but profitable to the city.


31 posted on 03/10/2024 11:02:06 AM PDT by monkeyshine (live and let live is dead)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

What are these FLOCK cameras my small town use now?


72 posted on 03/10/2024 5:16:06 PM PDT by Glad2bnuts (“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: We should have set up ambushes...paraphrased)
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