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To: SaveFerris

There’s no such thing as fossil fuel. America has enough fuel deposits to run our industrial,capitalist modern society
until the proven replacement is invented like what runs the Jetson’s vehicle. “Sustainable” is one of the environmental made up terms that means nothing in their context. The left will have us driving Flintstone cars.


29 posted on 02/08/2024 2:09:08 PM PST by shanover (...To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.-S.Adams)
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To: shanover

“There’s no such thing as fossil fuel. America has enough fuel deposits to run our industrial,capitalist modern society
until the proven replacement is invented like what runs the Jetson’s vehicle. “Sustainable” is one of the environmental made up terms that means nothing in their context. The left will have us driving Flintstone cars.”

Your wrong in the sense that every oil ,coal and natural gas deposit is a fossil fuel. Fossils not macro animals like the cartoons,but fossil sunshine for absolute
Certainty. Every oil,coal and gas on earth has the geochemistry markers to show it is sourced from carbon that was not only in the atmosphere it was exposed to cosmic rays at the surface. Trillions of tonnes of algae,plankton,diatoms, and in coal case vascular plants grew in sunlight in water or swamps and was then deposited into a sedimentary basin. This is true of every known and tested total hydrocarbon system planet wide. Humans have been enjoying 400+ million years of fossil sunshine accumulations.

There will be an end to the cheap oil era it’s when not if. The end is determined by how much energy consumption levels rise to meet Asia,Africa and India’s growing middle class energy consumption demands. It’s confirmation bias to say oh well America has X number of years usually hundreds. Nothing is farther from the truth. Original oil in place at 100% recovery rates won’t get the USA to a hundred years even at 2024 consumption rates let alone given that oil is fungible and demand is world wide. Speculative reserves or even resources at 100% recovery won’t either. The real numbers today show that at $300 or less in 2024 dollars the planet at 2024 consumption rates has 47 years of liquid hydrocarbons left. That’s not a lot of time to seek and implement an alternative. Especially given that in those years another billion people will be added to our planet.

Don’t confuse climate commies power grab via co2 with very real and very pressing resource depletion in an over populated planet. I have spent a career in the industry it’s made me quite wealthy as well but those of us who are actual scientists can see we need alternatives as a species and should use the blessings we have of liquid hydrocarbons to make that transition while we have time and resources to do so. Liquid hydrocarbons are arguably to precious to just burn to the sky when you think of all the other more valuable uses such as fertilizers,medications,plastics,lubricants,electronics ect. The mantra should be mine once use many on a planet with 8 times it’s sustainability point. There is not enough fossil resources for 8 billion to have EU level energy consumption levels that’s just cold hard math. Even burning every scrap of coal won’t put 8 billion people at EU level energy consumption levels for very long half a century at most with waters so dirty you couldn’t eat the fish due to the heavy metals coal burning puts up in the sky. Coal has 900 terawatt hours global power consumption was 22 bringing 6 billion up to what 1.5 billion use takes at least a 5x increase just for electricity alone if you have to replace liquid fuels with coal to liquids 15x that since 80% of liquids are used in transportation not power sector.

IEA-”In 2019, world total electricity final consumption reached 22.848 TWh, up 1.7% from 2018.”

It’s not all gloom 8 billion would use 3000 exajoules joules of energy per year that’s about five times more that what we used in 2022 why because 6 billion souls need to be elevated to somewhat middle class energy consumption levels. You would need to go to 12 times 2022 to bring the world to USA consumption levels you see the issues right.

Fortunately the giant thermonuclear reactor in the sky showers us with energy. 3,850,000 exajoules per year rains down on us. Look at those two numbers and think for a second. One percent of what the good Lord shines on us can power 8 billion at a lifestyle level that is comfortable and equitable world wide. It issue is not is there enough energy it is how to capture it store it and transport it to where it is needed.

Uranium in once through reactors should be a crime against humanity it’s hideously wasteful throwing 96% away. There is only 300 terawatt hours of uranium 235 reserves if you throw 96% away it’s insanity. Going to fast reactors and reprocessing that 300 becomes effectively unlimited as you can make more fuel than you use in breed reactors. U238 is available in unlimited amounts in the oceans for $600 kg or less the Japanese have already made commercial quantities of seawater U238 in testing that’s too expensive for once through but breeders get 100 times the kWh per kg of uranium fractions of a cent per kWh on fuel costs even as $600kg to start with. Fast+reprocessing+seawater uranium is billions of terawatt hours it’s enough to power tens of billions at middle class energy consumption levels. Jimmy C should have been brought up on crimes against humanity charges for ending our reprocessing program. The French Japanese and Russians didn’t drop the ball we can just ask them for the tech back.


34 posted on 02/10/2024 4:28:49 PM PST by GenXPolymath
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