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To: CDR Kerchner
I'm sorry, but this is just stupid. "Detailed analysis" aside, the matter comes down to these two questions:

1. Is Nikki Haley a U.S. citizen now? If your answer is "yes," then . . .

2. Did Haley ever undergo an actual "naturalization" process in order to become a citizen?

If the answer to this second question is "no," then Haley is a "natural born citizen" within the meaning of the U.S. Constitution, Article II, all other contortions and distortions aside.

A "natural born citizen" is someone who, by operation of law -- i.e., whatever law was in place at the time of the person's birth -- was a U.S. citizen at birth. That's all "natural born citizen" means, and that's all the term has ever meant. Period. Full stop.

34 posted on 01/19/2024 5:35:45 PM PST by DSH
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To: DSH
2. Did Haley ever undergo an actual "naturalization" process in order to become a citizen?

Do foreign born children of American citizens go through a "process"?

No. But they are still naturalized. They are made citizens by one of the naturalization acts of Congress, such as the naturalization act of 1952, which is how Barack may have gotten whatever sort of citizenship he actually has, if any.

The 14th amendment is a naturalization law. If you are a citizen only because of the 14th amendment, you are a naturalized citizen, even though no one treats you as if you are a naturalized citizen.

But you can go look at the debates in Congress on the 14th amendment, and they will tell you, that the 14th amendment is naturalization.

It is the making of people into citizens by a law passed by congress.

A "natural born citizen" is someone who, by operation of law -- i.e., whatever law was in place at the time of the person's birth -- was a U.S. citizen at birth. That's all "natural born citizen" means, and that's all the term has ever meant.

That's incorrect. That's just the oft repeated modern claims by people who wanted Barack Obama to be legal.

If you look in history, you find out this isn't correct. Here is an example.

Law book from 1817 Pennsylvania.


49 posted on 01/19/2024 5:52:46 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DSH

Nikki Haley was “naturalized” at and by birth via 8 USC Section 1401 which states who are naturalized U.S. Citizens at and by birth. And that is a man-made law, not natural law. And what man give man can take away. But what is created by natural law, not man can take away.

I suggest all here read the preambles to the Declaration of Independence and our U.S. Constitution and our Bill of Rights to learn more about the Natural Law and the Laws of Nature influence of our founders and framers in their thinking when creating our new country and our new Constitution in the summer of 1787.


54 posted on 01/19/2024 5:58:31 PM PST by CDR Kerchner ( retired military officer, natural law, Vattel, presidential, eligibility, natural born Citizen )
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To: DSH

The 14th Amendment is a glorified naturalization statute.


102 posted on 01/19/2024 8:36:11 PM PST by one guy in new jersey
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