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To: DiogenesLamp
Chester Arthur.

Went to great lengths to hide his father's Alien status.

Bringing him up hurts your argument. If it was no big deal, why hide it?

It appears Chester Arthur's fictional efforts to hide his father's citizenship were as poor as your effort at due diligence to separate fiction from fact.

A Russian correspondent wrote about Chester Arthur's (b. October 5, 1829) purported Irish citizenship in 1881. His citizenship was challenged by Arthur Hinson, Esq. before Chester Arthur was inaugurated as Vice President. The book fully explored the citizenship of Arthur and his father while Arthur was President.

At no time have two citizen parents been required. The words speak only of the status of the candidate, not his or her parents.

George Washington
Thomas Jefferson
James Madison
James Monroe
Andrew Jackson
Chester Alan Arthur
Barack Hussein Obama II
Kamala Harris

There are fifteen terms as President or Vice President without two citizen parents.

That Chester Arthur's father was Irish was so well known that a St. Petersburg, Russia correspondent wrote about the alleged Irish citizenship of Chester Arthur in 1881.

(By cable to the Herald.)

London, December 12, 1881

Our St. Petersburg correspondent telegraphs under the date of the 9th:—To-day's Novoe Vremya contains the following article, which I translate literally, without softening or accentuating the opprobrious language of the article:—"Arthur's Message to Congress is surprisingly strange if the telegraphic version before us be accurate. It congratulates Americans on their growing prosperity, as if this was anything new to the honorable Yankees. Arthur takes upon himself his views on foreign politics. France and Germany receive friendly patronage, but with regard to the the much talked of friendship with England not a word is said; and how could it be expected from an Irishman? Arthur even refrains from making comments on English home affairs—the Irish rebellion, for instance, which is agitating millions of American citizens, who are also born Irishmen like the President. ...

A book by Arthur P. Hinman was published during the Arthur presidency which resulted in no action being taken. Hinman was hired by the Democrat party and Senator Bayard was a democrat. Arthur became Vice President on March 4, 1881 and he became President on September 20, 1881. In January 1881, the author of the book was already flinging that citizenship crap.

New York, January 7th, 1881.

Hon. Thos. F. Bayard, U. S. Senator

Dear Sir:—What is the construction of Article II, § 1, Clause 5, of the Constitution of the United States—that "No person, except a natural-born citizen, etc, shall be eligible, etc." * * *

Yours respectfully

A. P. HINMAN

- - - - -

Senate of the United States
City of Washington, January 10th, 1881

A. P. Hinman, Esq., New York

Dear Sir:—In response to your letter of the 7th instant—the term "natuiral born citizen," as used in the Constitution and Statutes of the U. S., is held to be as native of the U. S.

The naturalization by law of a father before his child attains the age of twenty-one, would be naturalization of such minor.

Yours respectfully,

T. F. BAYARD

[...]

A citizen of New York State has ascertained all of the facts and here relates them:

Almost a century ago there lived in Ballymena, County Antrim, Ireland, a Scotchman named Gavin MacArthur. He had a wife and several children, and had emigrated from Scotland, on account of a family difficulty, arising from. his having embraced the Protestant religion while his friends and relatives were of the Roman Catholic faith. Shortly after his arrival in Ireland his religious zeal caused him to change his family name from MacArthur to Arthur. It is understood that he made this change to distinguish his branch of the family from that of the Roman Catholic branch.

In the year 1796, a son was born to this Gavin Arthur, and he was named William Arthur, in honor of William of Orange. This boy was educated at what was then known as the Blue School, in Belfast. He simply acquired a common school education. On leaving school, in the year 1818, he emigrated in a sailing vessel from Derry, Ireland, to Three Rivers, in Canada. It may here be remarked that, like a great many of the young men of his age, he was very fond of the three great evils of this life, viz: R. W. T.

"Billy" Arthur, as he was familiarly called by his associates in Canada, came direct from Three Rivers to a place called Upper Mills, now known as Stanbridge, Canada, looking for employment as a teacher. He offered to give lessons in writing, being a fine penman, at a very small salary. He was engaged for one term in the year 1819. Two of his scholars at that time, Erastus Chandler and Luther Burley, are still living.

On leaving Stanbridge, he obtained a government school at Dunham Flats, Canada, a place about seven miles east of Stanbridge. Here he remained for several years, and one of his scholars, Joseph Baker, is still living there. He says that he remembers William Arthur very well, and that he attended his school from about 1819 to 1821. He remembers his marriage to the daughter of George Washington Stone, a Methodist priest, at Dunham, and that they ran away across the line to East Berkshire, Vermont, to get married. When they returned to Dunham they lived in the upper part of a house owned by one of Baker's relatives. Mr. Baker claimed to have been the favorite pupil of his teacher, and when his first child, Regina Melvina Maria Arthur was born, he took Baker to see the baby. "It was a girl," and in honor of the event Mr. Arthur tr.eated Baker to a glass of whisky. Baker further stated that William Arthur, after his marriage in the State of Vermont and return, was remarried at the Episcopal Church at Dunham, Canada, by the then pastor, the Rev. Mr. Cotton. This remarriage was performed to satisfy certain members of his wife's family, who were a little inclined to doubt everything which they did not see and in which they did not participate. This runaway marriage is corroborated by Leonard D. Geer, Erastus Chandler and others. Baker said that Arthur was lame, or clubfooted, and liked his whiskey. While at Dunham he acted for at least two years as clerk to Priest Cotton. Arthur once went to the States to attend a religious meeting on a lake, supposed to be Burlington, Lake Champlain, and was converted. He learned that he afterwards became a Baptist preacher in the States.

[...]

Erastus Chandler, of Stanbridge East formerly Upper Mills, Canada, remembers William Arthur when he first came to Stanbridge: went to school to him. He was a lame Irishman, and inclined to drink, but was a splendid penman. He landed in this country at Three Rivers, and his first school was at Stanbridge. I think it was about 1819. I was about fifteen years of age the first time he was here, and about twenty-five years of age the second time.

[...]

Sycamore, DeKalb Co., III , May 9, 1882

DEAR SIR: - Yours of the 4th instant was duly received. I would say that I am not able to give dates definitely; but can state from recollection what I have known of Rev. William Arthur. My first acquaintance with him was about the year 1826 or 1827. I do not recollect being one of the Council that ordained Mr. Arthur. I met him at the annual meeting of the Fairfield Association. I learned from him that he emigrated from the north of Ireland, and that his ancestors were of Scotch descent, and were Protestants in belief.

[...]

(From the New York Times, Saturday, October 10th, 1875.)

REV. DR. WILLIAM ARTHUR.

Rev. Dr. William Arthur, the notice of whose death appeared in the Journal of· yesterday, was born in the County of Antrim, Ireland, in the year 1796. He sprang from that Scotch-Irish stock which is excelled by none other in all those qualities which go to make strong, true, independent men. After a thorough preliminary training he entered Belfast College, and was graduated from that institution at the early age of eighteen. Not long after he determined to make the New World his home, and accordingly, sailed from Liverpool for New York. Proceeding from the metropolis to Bennington, Vermont, he began his labors in this country as principal of the Bennington Academy. While maintaining this connection, he commenced the study of law, which he subequently continued in the office of Governor Van Ness, of Vermont. His future, however, was destined to run along a different path, and he had not been long at the law before he became convinced, first in his heart. and then in his mind, that he was called to the ministry. He at once prepared himself with characteristic energy and assiduity for the sacred calling, and in due course of time was installed as minister of a Baptist church at Bennington. He was subsequently settled in Hinesburgh, Fairfield and Williston, in Vermont, and in 1835 removed to western New York. After laboring awhile at York, Livingston County, and Perry, Wyoming County, he accepted a call from the Baptist church at Greenwich, Washington County, and in that field remained five years. Later he removed to Schenectady, and before settling down permanently at Newtonville, had charges successively at Schenectady, Lansingburgh, Hoosick and West Troy. From 1855 to 1863, Dr. Arthur was pastor of the Calvary Baptist Church of Albany. He will long be remembered by those the to whom he then ministered for the earnestness and power with which he delivered his sacred message.

It looks like the Irish citizenship of William Arthur was hidden by putting it in an obit in the New York Times in 1875, and by having it published in Russian in Russia, and having that translated to English and published in the Herald in 1881 in an early example of Russian meddling in American politics, and then published all about the citizenship of William Arthur in a book published while Arthur was in office. The research for the book was performed by A.P. Hinman, a democrat who was hired by the Democrat party to do a hit job before Arthur was inaugurated in 1881. Is that what is called keeping it on the down low?

What is your evidence that this information was hidden? The Democrat party knew. Congress knew. People who read the New York Times knew. In 1881, the Russians knew.

Sauces please. Name the birther moron you got that from.

155 posted on 01/18/2024 12:25:41 AM PST by woodpusher
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To: woodpusher

In his 1916 book “Fear God and take your own part” Theodore Roosevelt wrote that if Arthur were to go to England, he could have been pressed into military service. Clearly Roosevelt knew Arthur had dual citizenship.

Roosevelt goes on to describe the case of a Mr. LeLong who was born in New Orleans to a U.S. citizen mother and an alien (French citizen) father. In describing Mr. LeLong, Roosevelt wrote “He is eligible to the Presidency of the United States.”


158 posted on 01/18/2024 7:39:06 AM PST by 4Zoltan
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To: woodpusher
His citizenship was challenged by Arthur Hinson, Esq. before Chester Arthur was inaugurated as Vice President. The book fully explored the citizenship of Arthur and his father while Arthur was President.

I remember that. I think i've actually read that book.

Doesn't really address the point.

That Chester Arthur's father was Irish was so well known that a St. Petersburg, Russia correspondent wrote about the alleged Irish citizenship of Chester Arthur in 1881.

You are trying to pull a bait and switch here. The issue is *NOT* that Chester Arthur had an Irish father, it's that his father didn't become a citizen until *AFTER* Chester Arthur was born.

*THAT* is the part that has been attempted to be hidden.

At no time have two citizen parents been required. The words speak only of the status of the candidate, not his or her parents.

George Washington
Thomas Jefferson
James Madison
James Monroe
Andrew Jackson

I would say you were showing your ignorance here, but you've already had this particular point explained to you before. I'm not sure why you are trying to sneak that past us again. Perhaps you've forgotten what you were told previously?

All of those men were born as "subjects." There is a special exemption for them in the eligibility requirements.

Senate of the United States City of Washington, January 10th, 1881

A. P. Hinman, Esq., New York

Dear Sir:—In response to your letter of the 7th instant—the term "natuiral born citizen," as used in the Constitution and Statutes of the U. S., is held to be as native of the U. S.

It's after 1868, and therefore invalid in understanding natural born citizen. Also, after 1825, William Rawle had polluted people's accurate understanding of the matter.

If you want to prove something, don't use circular logic that depends on it's own presumptions.

You have to use evidence from the Framing era. Crap from the time period *AFTER* Rawle misled everyone is useless.

160 posted on 01/18/2024 8:54:23 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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