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To: DugwayDuke
Can someone explain how we should monitor the electronic communications of terrorists and spies without FISA.

They can get a freaking warrant just like it is specified in the Constitution, that's how. It isn't like they don't have rubber stamps they have on speed dial that will sign of on anything requested. They should have to at least pretend that the Constitution means something.

I'm not surprised one tiny bit that you support this crap.

19 posted on 12/14/2023 10:36:18 AM PST by zeugma (Stop deluding yourself that America is still a free country.)
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To: zeugma
No kidding. After 9/11, I thought we were at war, so I was one of those, with my WWII mentality, who thought we needed something like the PATRIOT Act.

Since it has been implemented, I realized how horribly wrong I was. I can't go back and retroactively change my mindset, history is what it is. So that is on me, and I have come to grips with it.

But I have realized that things like the PATRIOT Act cannot be given to people as a tool. It is TOO ripe for abuse. We cannot trust ANY of our fellow humans, no matter how well intentioned they might be, to have it. Power like that corrupts, and it corrupts completely.

Personally, I would rather allow all Americans to open-carry all manner of weaponry from knives to automatic weapons, and allow us to defend ourselves, come what may.

Our country is not defending us, and instead, is abusing us.

But there are still some jackwads who don't understand Ben Franklin's admonition that "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." They don't understand we don't live in a Republic anymore, where the government utilizes its Constitutionally allocated powers to protect us, and is now using them to persecute us.

30 posted on 12/14/2023 11:20:56 AM PST by rlmorel ("The stigma for being wrong is gone, as long as you're wrong for the right side." (Clarice Feldman))
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To: zeugma

zeugma wrote: “They can get a freaking warrant just like it is specified in the Constitution, that’s how. It isn’t like they don’t have rubber stamps they have on speed dial that will sign of on anything requested. They should have to at least pretend that the Constitution means something.”

So, you think they should get a warrant to tap the communications of an terrorist who is residing in Iraq?


35 posted on 12/14/2023 11:52:52 AM PST by DugwayDuke (Most pick the expert who says the things they agree with.)
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To: zeugma
You said to DugwayDuke: "I'm not surprised one tiny bit that you support this crap."

You know, Dugway is right down the road from the NSA's $1.5 billion Utah data center...

43 posted on 12/14/2023 1:42:18 PM PST by NaturalScience
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