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Satellites spy remnants of hidden Bronze Age settlement in Serbia
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| November 20, 2023
| Jennifer Nalewicki
Posted on 12/09/2023 8:52:34 AM PST by SunkenCiv
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posted on
12/09/2023 8:52:34 AM PST
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SunkenCiv
To: StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 1ofmanyfree; 21twelve; 24Karet; 2ndDivisionVet; 31R1O; ...
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posted on
12/09/2023 8:52:59 AM PST
by
SunkenCiv
(Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
To: SunkenCiv
But...but...you said they’d NEVER find it!
Sir, your nose is going to grow!
‘Face
;o]
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posted on
12/09/2023 9:20:43 AM PST
by
Monkey Face
(The glitter of the Season should never prevent us from seeing the Prince of Peace.~ Deiter Uchtdorf)
To: SunkenCiv
Looks like the Neocon Bombing Party of Serbia didn’t reach that farm. Lucky!
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posted on
12/09/2023 9:24:55 AM PST
by
BobL
(I eat at McDonald's and shop at Walmart, I just don't tell anyone)
To: SunkenCiv
Amazing.
Also amazing that archeologists spend time poring over Google Earth images looking for things like this. How tedious. I wonder if AI has been applied to this.
“...it’s likely that the inhabitants were ‘familiar with warfare’”
Was there anybody NOT familiar with warfare in those ancient times? Or throughout all history, for that matter? Could anybody be born, live and die without having their village raided, marauded and plundered?
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posted on
12/09/2023 9:26:43 AM PST
by
ProtectOurFreedom
(“Occupy your mind with good thoughts or your enemy will fill them with bad ones.” ~ Thomas More)
To: SunkenCiv
The irony for me is that this morning I started watching a show called Hunting Atlantis which focuses on both geology and archaeology of that region.
Even though the show’s bias is on finding evidence of Atlantis, it outlines the glaring gaps in archaeology and the ongoing struggle [ahem] of evolution of known history for this region.
It’s tough to tolerate the show’s ‘campiness’, but there IS some good science.
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posted on
12/09/2023 9:39:02 AM PST
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logi_cal869
(-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
To: logi_cal869
I don’t have much use for the late Gavin Menzies, but like a lot of fringe authors, he has dug out some obscure facts that are generally ignored because of, well, reverse cherry picking. :^)
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posted on
12/09/2023 10:03:44 AM PST
by
SunkenCiv
(Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
To: null and void; aragorn; EnigmaticAnomaly; kalee; Kale; AZ .44 MAG; Baynative; bgill; bitt; ...
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posted on
12/09/2023 10:06:51 AM PST
by
bitt
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To: SunkenCiv
That Hunting Atlantis show exposes a lot of bunny holes.
For example, I’d never heard of the Lycian culture before.
Many other examples, including the little explored Büyük Menderes River Basin (under the silt).
It’s maddening because I put on the show as background as I work a project, but it’s got enough detail that it’s distracting my focus.
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posted on
12/09/2023 10:19:08 AM PST
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logi_cal869
(-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
To: Monkey Face
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posted on
12/09/2023 10:19:23 AM PST
by
SunkenCiv
(Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
To: logi_cal869; SunkenCiv
Even though the show’s bias is on finding evidence of Atlantis, it outlines the glaring gaps in archaeology It is discoveries like this one that make me think that the estimates of human population in the ancient world are extremely low.
For instance the large cities in the Incan empire that are being discovered with Satellites.
It seems that the human population exploded rapidly at the end of the last ice age.
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posted on
12/09/2023 10:21:22 AM PST
by
Pontiac
(The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
To: Pontiac
I had a class back when I was young and pretty that had as one of its texts, "The Invasion of America", a predictably anti-colonialist screed. One of the claims was that the population of North America (as was the case in Central America) had hit a height before 1492-ish that wouldn't be reached again until the 19th century or early 20th century. Obviously the culprit (if there was one) would have been inadvertently introduced diseases.
Interestingly enough, in a completely different class we learned that the Mayans had I think four different population peaks, with the final one in the early 16th century, just as Cortez arrived. Unless one attributes the earlier ones to a similar introduction of diseases by ocean-crossers -- which could help clarify where some of the ancient pandemics in Eurasia came from -- one is stuck with the 100 percent natural climate changes that continue to this day.
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posted on
12/09/2023 10:30:52 AM PST
by
SunkenCiv
(Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
To: ProtectOurFreedom
Yeah, that gave me a good laugh.
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posted on
12/09/2023 10:34:40 AM PST
by
SunkenCiv
(Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
To: ProtectOurFreedom
Also amazing that archeologists spend time poring over Google Earth images looking for things like this. How tedious. I wonder if AI has been applied to this.
There are efforts in that direction, not necessarily “AI” per se but image recognition algorithms. There’s also some websites that post imagery and let public review it and tag locations of interest for review.
One of the major issues at this point is that a lot of sites require elevation/contrast-enhancement to be recognizable, but the enhancement tends to introduce image artifacts with a lot of straight lines and sharp corners. Both the volunteers and computerized recognition programs then flag the artifacts as looking manmade.
It’s still quite promising though. The current issues are not fatal to the technique, they just need some improvement (and such enhancement techniques are very rapidly improving all the time). One of the biggest improvements will be to throw drone imagery into the mix- the higher resolution (vs satellite) and more easily orthorectified drone imagery will need less enhancement, and therefore suffer less issues related to enhancement.
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posted on
12/09/2023 10:38:46 AM PST
by
verum ago
(I figure some people must truly be in love, for only love can be so blind.)
To: SunkenCiv
Now the show’s exposed an event at Mt. Etna 5500-6500 BC which affected at least a portion of the Eastern Mediterranean with a tsunami exceeding an estimated 50 meters (aka “Neolithic Etna tsunami”; I was admittedly ignorant of that event).
Too many bunnyholes. Gotta put on something else...
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posted on
12/09/2023 10:55:08 AM PST
by
logi_cal869
(-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
To: logi_cal869
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posted on
12/09/2023 11:03:10 AM PST
by
SunkenCiv
(Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
To: verum ago
Multi-spectral imaging would be very useful, too. There are lots of things that can be seen in IR and UV light that the human eye cannot detect. I was reading here recently about the Pompeii scrolls turned to charcoal in the volcanic pyroclastic flow and how they can be carefully unrolled and read using invisible light wavelengths.
My dad was a project manager on the first multi-spectral earth orbiting satellites, originally named “Earth Resources Technology Satellite” (”ERTS”) and later renamed “Landsat.” Before that, he also worked on the first Nimbus meterological satellites launched in the 60s.
I remember Dad trying to explain “false color” images to me when I was in high school. As a young teen, I kept thinking “Huh, how can there be light we cannot see?”
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posted on
12/09/2023 11:23:12 AM PST
by
ProtectOurFreedom
(“Occupy your mind with good thoughts or your enemy will fill them with bad ones.” ~ Thomas More)
To: ProtectOurFreedom
Multi-spectral imaging would be very useful, too. There are lots of things that can be seen in IR and UV light that the human eye cannot detect.
I almost mentioned that in the context of drones. Current high end drones subject to FAA Pt 107 (<55 lbs) meant for surveying can fly with multiple cameras covering multiple spectra, or also make multiple flights with different instruments with sufficient precision/repeatability (<2 cm if controlled by a differential GPS ground station) to create some spectacularly high-resolution multi-spectrum overlays.
And they can do so with higher resolution (due to simple proximity) and higher contrast range (due to less atmospheric wash-out and distortion) than satellites or even typical survey aircraft.
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posted on
12/09/2023 1:47:20 PM PST
by
verum ago
(I figure some people must truly be in love, for only love can be so blind.)
To: verum ago
Here in the northwest, we get lots of surveillance aircraft shooting IR in regular patterns analyzing forest fires and looking for hot-spots after the fires are out (or nearly out). You can see the patterns on FlightRadar 24.
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posted on
12/09/2023 2:18:44 PM PST
by
ProtectOurFreedom
(“Occupy your mind with good thoughts or your enemy will fill them with bad ones.” ~ Thomas More)
To: SunkenCiv
Any remnants of those attrocities?
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