Posted on 11/25/2023 9:54:08 AM PST by ganeemead
Actually the Kremlin, on Putin’s instructions, scuppered the negotiations before Boris’ plane was wheels up.
The 2021 ultimatum, which you can read from the official Russian website in a link on that page, required NATO to agree to withdrawal of NATO article 5 protection for all members east of Germany, including any countries that were once inside the Warsaw Pact or USSR.
Anyone with an IQ higher than single digits can see a whole smorgasbord of showstoppers there.
1. Ukraine (a NATO partner not a member), and Russia (also a non member) cannot sign a deal that unilaterally forces NATO to rewrite its constition. Ever. NATO would simply ignore it.
2. The odds on getting all of NATO member countries including the ones it’d leave effectively defenceless against Russian aggression in future, to agree to that demand, is about as high as getting all of the UN security council including Russia and China to sign away their veto rights. As in, it’s sheer fantasy.
3. Russia was dumb enough to not just insist on that. They also demanded NATO members can’t even do agreed training on each others soil without getting Moscow to allow it.
4. While making these demands Russian politicians were going on Russian TV celebrating the slaughter in Mariupol and talking about exterminating Ukraine as an ethnonationalist reality. One Duma deputy said that even if Ukraine agreed to the terms then Russia should inflict between 5 and 15% of its population to collective punishment for opposing Russian takeover. This sentiment was reflected in a press article, “what Russia should do with Ukraine”.
Boris was entirely right to say we (ie no NATO member) would ever sign off Russia’s demands. And as Russia seemed committed to running a reign of terror even if they won their peace deal, the peace deal was for the birds.
Five percent of Ukraine’s population at the time was over 2 million. Fifteen percent was 6 million. Does a figure of six million people being culturally and politically annihilated on the basis of bullshit grievances from a slightly mad history buff butthurt over a a war that had ended some 20 years earlier remind you of anything?
Europe remembers what the Nazis did to the Jews and it remembers the Holodomor. We also remember that Lebensraum and the Final Solution were all signposted alongside a whole mass of bullshit about a global conspiracy involving Jews.
When we all said after World War 2, ‘never again ‘, to that happening in Europe we actually meant it. USA included.
bttt
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