New evidence strongly suggests Indonesia's Gunung Padang is oldest known pyramid

Phys.org ^ | 11/6/2023 | Bob Yirka

[logi_cal869]

“Disputed”

Yeah, Hawaas is a train wreck embarrassment to the science of archaeology.

They can’t explain the megaliths either there or where they were found to be foundations for Roman structures (believed by ‘heretics’that the Romans simple repurposed the foundations, much like the cultures in South America).

They came even demonstrate the methods to produce the obelisks.

[Dr. Franklin]

Yeah, Hawaas is a train wreck embarrassment to the science of archaeology.

What contributions have Muslims made to science? There must be some, but I don't know of any. Authoritarian countries have problems with vigorous academic debate about challenging orthodoxy. It's a problem in the West too, but not as bad. Eventually, the upstarts can carry the day in the West, but not so much in the East.

[PIF]

The contention is that the **moat walls** around the Monument have vertical weathering - the Monument itself only has horizontal weathering.

Your contention is made by people who have never been allowed into the moat and have only seen images. Like the hippy geologist character.

The Giza complex was build as a unit incorporating geometry based on Golden Sections and Triangles, and incorporates Fibonacci configurations, not a bunch of randomly placed monuments.

Menkaure is supposed to be the youngest pyramid, but based on Optical Thermoluminescence dating, it is **older** than the dates accepted for the other two.

“Stating that the smallest pyramid at Giza is the youngest rather proves the point that largest pyramids are the oldest” - no it does not. Logical fallacy- that’s an assumption, not a fact.

[Dr. Franklin]

The contention is that the **moat walls** around the Monument have vertical weathering - the Monument itself only has horizontal weathering.
Your contention is made by people who have never been allowed into the moat and have only seen images. Like the hippy geologist character.

Well, not that its the best source but WP has a picture of the Great Sphinx of Giza along with the caption, "Vertical weathering on the body of the Sphinx":
Sphinx water erosion hypothesis
It also notes that the weathering of the head and neck was repaired in the 1920s. Nice straw man argument, but it doesn't work.

Menkaure is supposed to be the youngest pyramid, but based on Optical Thermoluminescence dating, it is **older** than the dates accepted for the other two.

Well why weren't the larger two pyramids at Giza tested scientifically for their age? Or were they tested, but the results haven't been released because the science doesn't agree with the "experts"?

no it does not. Logical fallacy- that’s an assumption, not a fact.

It was your statement, and therefore, your fallacy if any. That begs the question as to why there was no testing of the larger two pyramids to scientifically determine their age?

[PIF]

Well why weren’t the larger two pyramids at Giza tested scientifically for their age?

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Because as I explained it is not allowed. take it up with the Egyptian Antiquities Department. Its an Egyptian law instituted by Zwais.

The WP image is mislabeled; it shows horizontal weathering.

[Dr. Franklin]

Your contention is made by people who have never been allowed into the moat and have only seen images. Like the hippy geologist character.

An while we are at it, why not scientifically test the Great Sphinx to determine its age just like the Menkaure pyramid? That should end the debate, right? Was it tested but the results don't agree with the experts, so it hasn't been released to the public?

[PIF]

If you read the comments you will discover the statement is yours, not mine.

Your #20 comment says:

Which does not address how old the Great Pyramid, and the slightly shorter, but equally elevated above sea level, pyramid of Khafre.

**Stating that the smallest pyramid at Giza is the youngest rather proves the point that largest pyramids are the oldest.**

This defies human history which documents that smaller buildings and structures like bridges predate large constructions. The latest and greatest technology creates larger constructions, but not with the pyramids of Giza. That is very strange. Still more curious is that the pyramids at Giza are built exactly where the longest latitude of land meets the longest longitude of land on earth:

So stop trolling please.

[PIF]

How many times do I have to tell you that all testing has to be done in Egypt and therefore OT testing cannot be done in Egypt because they do not have the millions for the equipment or the training to do the test.

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Sundaland

[logi_cal869]

I was aware of Sundaland, but never saw that post.

BFL

THANKS!

[Max in Utah]

Fair Wind to Java

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More people live on the island of Java than live in the largest country in the world, Russia.

[BenLurkin]

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/20/science/indonesia-oldest-pyramid-gunung-padang.html