[9YearLurker]

I don’t believe for a minute that Fetterman won legitimately. (Not that we don’t also have lots of mindless voters voting for mindless candidates.)

It’s rigged and controlled by the party apparatus on both sides, which is really two sides of the same coin.

[Iron Munro]

I don’t believe for a minute that Fetterman won legitimately.
(Not that we don’t also have lots of mindless voters voting for mindless candidates.)

I agree.

But the discouraging truth is as you said: many mindless people did vote for him.

And Joe Biden, Maxine Waters, Sheila Jackson Lee, Hank Johnson and so many others.

And its not just the mindless voters - there are so many who are motivated by hate, identity politics, party loyalty and so many other reasons
having nothing to do with good governance.

IMHO the bottom line is that there are just too many idiots, haters and crazies to think this suicidal national plunge will ever be stopped short
barring some humongous disater of some sort.