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To: LouAvul

Legislation doesn’t make communities safe. Active participation by patriotic citizens does.


7 posted on 10/23/2023 8:26:49 AM PDT by frogjerk (More people have died trusting the government than not trusting the government.)
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To: frogjerk

Yep. This poll is a perfect example of the logical fallacy of begging the question.


9 posted on 10/23/2023 8:30:29 AM PDT by HartleyMBaldwin
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To: frogjerk
I would have to disagree to a degree-and this is not full disagreement-we know that defense of our country is part of the Constitutionally codified duties, so they are not doing their job on the borders. They are allowing criminals and our enemies to freely enter our border, and adding further insult, are using federal monies and resources to distribute them around the country.

And, that is against the legally drawn up legislation that makes laws in our Federal Register, completely ignored.

Second, as citizens in this republic, we pay local and state taxes, where on our state Constitution it says the following:

"...The chief and other police officers of all cities and towns shall have all the powers and duties of constables except serving and executing civil process. They shall suppress and prevent all disturbances and disorder. They may carry within the commonwealth such weapons as the chief of police or the board or officer having control of the police in a city or town shall determine; provided, that any law enforcement officer of another state or territory of the United States may, while on official business within the commonwealth, carry such weapons as are authorized by his appointing authority. They may examine all persons abroad whom they have reason to suspect of unlawful design, and may demand of them their business abroad and whither they are going; may disperse any assembly of three or more persons, and may enter any building to suppress a riot or breach of peace therein. Persons so suspected who do not give a satisfactory account of themselves, persons so assembled and who do not disperse when ordered, and persons making, aiding and abetting in a riot or disturbance may be arrested by the police, and may thereafter be safely kept by imprisonment or otherwise unless released in the manner provided by law, and taken before a district court to be examined and prosecuted..."

I have no doubt there is similar documentation at my local level in my town. So, I am paying taxes at the Federal, State, and local levels to guarantee the safest possible community due to the tax money I pay. It is part of their job.

That said, I believe we are in agreement that the way things are now, where safety of our communities are being actively ignored. I only disagree with the statement "Active participation by patriotic citizens does."

In my opinion, active participation helps, but cannot replace the jobs of the local, state, and federal levels in managing safety in our communities. It is a chain. And active participation, when it does help, cannot survive alone without expenditures of time and money, as it would if the Local State, and Federal agencies did what they SHOULD be doing.

21 posted on 10/23/2023 9:04:50 AM PDT by rlmorel ("If you think tough men are dangerous, just wait until you see what weak men are capable of." JBP)
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