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To: Gulf War One; LonePalm

Re Marines:

But why call that group, specifically, marines? Why not topshipmen or landsmen? All sailors would be marines, if it just means from the sea.

I can see if they were Army, with special sea capabilities. But they are Navy, with land capabilities. Who actually selected that name?

Hope you don’t mind my questions.


145 posted on 10/22/2023 11:57:48 AM PDT by Melian (📍 Reminder: Memes are made to make you think or laugh. Verify for yourself before repostin. )
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To: Melian; Gulf War One; LonePalm
But why call that group, specifically, marines? Why not topshipmen or landsmen?

Let's just be happy they didn't try calling them the futtocks.

168 posted on 10/22/2023 2:38:19 PM PDT by TangoLimaSierra (⭐⭐To the Left, The Truth is Right Wing Violence⭐⭐)
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To: Melian
Ok, no problems with the questions. It lets me show off a bit. ;-)

Initially there was little difference between soldiers and sailors when it came to naval combat. Being relatively poor sailors when compared to Carthage, the Romans invented the Corvus. The Corvus (meaning "crow" or "raven" in Latin) was a Roman naval boarding device used in sea battles against Carthage during the First Punic War.

This allowed the Romans to treat sea warfare like land warfare which they excelled at.

The first organized marine corps was created in Venice by the Doge Enrico Dandolo when he created the first regiment of ten companies spread on several ships. That corps participated in the conquest of Byzantium (1203-1204), later officially called "Fanti da Mar" (sea infantry) in 1550.

The word marine was originally used for the marine-type forces of England; however, the word marine or marina means "navy" in many European languages, including Dutch, French, Italian, German, Spanish, Danish, and Norwegian. The term for what we think of as a marine translates into English as naval infantry or coastal infantry. Marines, or naval infantry, are typically a military force trained to operate in littoral zones in support of naval operations. Historically, tasks undertaken by marines have included helping maintain discipline and order aboard the ship (reflecting the pressed nature of the ship's company and the risk of mutiny), the boarding of vessels during combat or capture of prize ships, and providing manpower for raiding ashore in support of the naval objectives. In most countries, the marines are an integral part of that state's navy.

This makes sense as their mission requires skill sets not found in the Army. Marines operate in and about the coastal regions of the world. The United States Marine Corps (USMC) is currently the only marine combined-arms force in the world. Created in 1775, it was originally intended only to guard naval vessels during the American Revolutionary War. I personally think they need a bumper sticker that says "The USMC Going Coastal since 1775."

As for who selected the name, I'm not sure. We inherited it, along with almost every other standing tradition, from the Royal Navy when we gained our independence. Given the time period, the RN was a good place to look for inspiration.

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175 posted on 10/22/2023 3:02:22 PM PDT by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: Melian
All sailors would be marines, if it just means from the sea.

Nowadays, Marines go ashore and fight, sailors remain at sea and fight. Marines don't do sailor jobs, thank God.

. But they are Navy

Marines are a department of the Navy, the Men's Department. Seriously though, squids and jarheads do different things. 248 years ago come 10Nov23, During the American Revolution, the Continental Congress passes a resolution stating that “two Battalions of Marines be raised” for service as landing forces for the recently formed Continental Navy.

That's why we are different than the Navy.

176 posted on 10/22/2023 3:22:34 PM PDT by xone ( )
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To: Melian
Why not topshipmen or landsmen?

Also this would sound stupid. Marines is better.

177 posted on 10/22/2023 3:23:36 PM PDT by xone ( )
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