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1 posted on 10/08/2023 5:16:18 AM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK
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They have done the same with US tax dollars.


2 posted on 10/08/2023 5:19:19 AM PDT by dforest
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To a near certainty it’s nothing more than Mylar. Just sayin’.


3 posted on 10/08/2023 5:19:36 AM PDT by House Atreides (I’m now ULTRA-MAGA. -PRO-MAX)
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4 posted on 10/08/2023 5:22:09 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (They intend to murder us. Prep if you want to live and live like you are prepping for eternal life)
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Invisibility huh. In which spectrums?

Clearly Ukraine will win now. They just need $100 billion more…


5 posted on 10/08/2023 5:26:45 AM PDT by EEGator
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Zelensky Pushing US for Long-term Security Deal Based On ‘Israeli Model’

BY DANIEL BUSH ON 8/31/23, newsweek.com

VOLODYMYR ZELENSKY
RUSSIA-UKRAINE WAR

As Ukraine’s counteroffensive grinds on, officials far away from the frontlines in Washington and Kyiv are quietly negotiating a formal alliance that could reshape Europe’s security landscape.

The negotiations have been overshadowed by Kyiv’s push this summer to retake Russian-held territory in southern Ukraine, but the discussions drew fresh attention recently when Ukrainian President Volodymyr said he expects Ukraine and the United States will agree to a security pact that’s similar to the alliance between the U.S. and Israel. The two countries don’t have a defense treaty, but the U.S. provides Israel with billions in military aid and has long been its most important ally.

“We will likely get this exact model,” Zelensky said in an interview Sunday with Ukrainian media, “the Israeli model that includes weapons, technology, training [and] finances.”

Such an arrangement would provide Ukraine less security than membership in NATO, which President Biden has said won’t happen before the end of the war. But it would establish Ukraine as a critical long-term partner for the U.S. in Eastern Europe, while sending Russia the message that Western support for Kyiv won’t waiver.

“The point is to telegraph to Russia that they can’t just wait out the West,” said Eric Ciaramella, a former director for Ukraine at the National Security Council.

A formal security commitment to Ukraine “is a credible interim arrangement until the issue of NATO membership is clarified,” said Ciaramella, a Russia and Ukraine expert at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.

A bilateral security alliance along the lines of the pact between America and Israel would presumably create a permanent stream of military assistance to Ukraine, along with training, intelligence cooperation and other resources. Since the start of the war Congress has approved military aid for Ukraine on an ad hoc basis, creating uncertainty for Kyiv’s military planners.

A long-term security guarantee could also help insulate Ukraine from changes in power in the White House and Congress. A growing number of congressional Republicans and some of the party’s 2024 presidential candidates oppose giving Ukraine more military aid.

But it’s unclear from Zelensky’s comments whether negotiators are using Israel as a model for Ukraine, or if that is merely the direction he would like to see the talks take. Zelensky has been known to goad and cajole Western allies to try to get them to do more to support Ukraine.

pic-—Ukrainian President Zelensky speaks at the announcement of the G7 nations’ joint declaration for the support of Ukraine as Joe Biden looks on on July 12, 2023 in Vilnius, Lithuania. SEAN GALLUP/GETTY IMAGES

Zelensky’s comments Sunday were not the first time he’s raised Israel as a possible model for the U.S.-Ukraine relationship going forward. He has mentioned it on at least two occasions last year, and it was included in a 2022 white paper endorsed by Zelensky’s top aide.

The Biden administration has said little publicly about the security negotiations with Ukraine since announcing in early August that the talks had begun.

In response to a request for comment, a White House official directed Newsweek to the joint declaration of support to Ukraine issued by Biden and the other leaders of the Group of Seven (G7) nations at the NATO summit in Lithuania in July.

All of the G7 countries pledged to formalize bilateral security commitments with Ukraine to help it build a military “force capable of defending Ukraine now and deterring Russian aggression in the future.” The commitments will include military equipment, training, intelligence sharing and supporting Ukraine’s defense industry, according to the communique.

The U.S. State Department declined to comment for this article. Officials from the State and Defense departments and the National Security Council launched bilateral security negotiations with Ukrainian officials on Aug. 3, according to the State Department.

The Biden administration has not laid out a timeline for the U.S.-Ukraine negotiations. Several questions remain about what an agreement would look like and how it would be implemented.

In the case of Israel, Congress is required by law to ensure that U.S. military aid in the Middle East region doesn’t damage Israel’s military superiority over its neighbors. That requirement enjoys broad bipartisan support and has served as a benchmark for ensuring Israel receives robust U.S. support.

The White House could take a similar approach with Ukraine, or try in some other way to codify U.S. support for Ukraine.

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7 posted on 10/08/2023 5:29:09 AM PDT by Liz (“The only time Biden gets his hands dirty is when he’s taking cash from foreign countries." Trump)
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The first rule about the ‘invisibility cloak’ is...


8 posted on 10/08/2023 5:29:57 AM PDT by Libloather (Why do climate change hoax deniers live in mansions on the beach?)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1eUIK9CihA

Is this modeled after the cone of silence?


9 posted on 10/08/2023 5:34:23 AM PDT by Steven Tyler
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11 posted on 10/08/2023 5:35:42 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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They can't have disappeared. No people that small can have a cloaking device!

12 posted on 10/08/2023 5:37:30 AM PDT by xp38
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK

Have read accounts of some Russian forces also using this.


14 posted on 10/08/2023 5:46:04 AM PDT by silverleaf (Inside Every Progressive Is A Totalitarian Screaming To Get Out” —David Horowitz)
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Gilly suit?


15 posted on 10/08/2023 5:54:59 AM PDT by silent majority rising
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Oh Geez. The Ukies have shifted into Star Trek mode.


17 posted on 10/08/2023 5:57:40 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Prosecutors say Trump may have broken the law admiring gun in South Carolina" ROTFLMAO!)
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Ukraine needs a thinking change otherwise the way they are going they are going to get themselves nuked...why do people think money and weapons is going to solve this? The assumption that enough pain inflicted on Russia will result in a retreat is a very risky bet.

What is wrong with people...or are you just paid trolls like Desantis supporters paid to infiltrate internet boards and twitter to spread propaganda...they world as changed US is no better than any other country now in technology and resources or capabilities.


18 posted on 10/08/2023 6:02:09 AM PDT by bte
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I often dreamed about an invisibility cloak in junior high school so I could sneak undetected into the girls locker room and do some sight seeing in the showers.

I also yearned for the cloak so I could lift money out of the cash drawers at my local Savings & Loan instead of finding some horrible summer job.


21 posted on 10/08/2023 6:03:07 AM PDT by zeestephen (Trump "Lost" By 43,000 Votes - Spread Across Three States - GA, WI, AZ)
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Is there a single day left on this forum where Ukrainian propaganda can take a back seat? One.Single.Day.


22 posted on 10/08/2023 6:04:32 AM PDT by BlackbirdSST (Trump or Bust! Long live the Republic.)
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But did the snipers have their rayguns set on stun or kill?


23 posted on 10/08/2023 6:04:42 AM PDT by I-ambush (From the brightest star comes the blackest hole. You had so much to offer, why didya offer your sou?)
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I saw one that was like a see through shield. The guy stood behind it and disappeared.


29 posted on 10/08/2023 6:51:33 AM PDT by roving (👌⚓Deplorable Listless Vessel with Trumpitist who looks Trumpish)
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