Posted on 09/28/2023 3:03:42 PM PDT by ganeemead
No, Russia isn’t the only country to invade a sovereign country? Where do you get that from? Heard of Syria or Iraq?
“It is sad that you don’t see the difference.”
Oh, but I do. He didn’t say Russians; he didn’t say ethnic Russians (i.e., he said nothing about people): He said Russian (i.e., pertaining to Russia) when referring to Ukraine (or parts of it).
“You must be yet another foreigner here rooting for the globalist regime.”
Well, I’m an American so I’m likely a foreigner to you.
“A lot of things are Russian. Icons, things I bought while there, a scarf I have, and much of Ukraine was very Russian. Not ethnic Russian, but in the sense of language and culture.”
So what? A lot of things are American; but that does not make the countries where there are American products, American.
“He is absolutely correct.”
Not the way he wrote it.
“In Ukraine, in the 90s for instance, Russian was widely spoken and books, tv etc in the Russian language were easily found. Russian crosses and icons could be ordered from Ukrainian churches online.”
So what? Spanish is spoken here in the US; that does not make the US Spain, or Spanish; or Mexico, or Mexican; etc.
“That all changed after we went in and destroyed the bond.
Taught them to hate Russia.”
Oh, BS. Ukrainians have had a strong dislike of Russia since at least the 1930s, and the Holodomor.
World war is not sporting event as you evidently believe.
If it weren’t for the US giving Ukraine hundreds of billions of dollars there would be no war.
It’s because of YOU that there is a war.
You are either completely lost and easily confused, or not interested in a true discussion.
The Biden, Hillary, Soros, Zelensky supporters here are doing their job.
But sadly this forum is being destroyed by their lies and ignorance.
And it isn’t that conservative anymore.
Nice try, Natasha.
Nice try yourself.
I am in touch with other freepers in this state, and have met Jim in person.
Keep posting to continue looking like the moron you are.
“If it weren’t for the US giving Ukraine hundreds of billions of dollars there would be no war.”
Bull crap. Russia invaded and initiated war before the US sent Ukraine anything.
“I am in touch with other freepers in this state, and have met Jim in person.”
So what? That does not give you special privileges to dictate who can comment on the threads, or censor what they say. You just can’t abide someone having the temerity to hold an opinion or idea different from yours.
Get over yourself.
I was referring to your implication that I wasn’t an American.
You really are sad.
We had military there 8 years before Russia invaded.
Gee. I winder if “building up the country’s military capabilities” involved weapons?
My God. How stupid are you?
😂😂😂😂
UK Defense Secretary Ben Wallace said on Wednesday that the United Kingdom, the United States, Canada and Sweden had been investing in Ukraine and building up the country’s military capabilities before the start of the conflict in February 2022.
2014-2015, Ukraine negotiated a series of measures with Russia, France and Germany known as the Minsk Agreements aimed at a political resolution of conflict in Donbass. In February of this year, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky admitted that he told former German Chancellor Angela Merkel and French President Emmanuel Macron that Kiev never intended to fulfill the Minsk Agreements. Merkel said that the deal had been merely an attempt to give Ukraine time to gain strength ahead of a full-scale military confrontation.
Agree, there are no good guys in this war.
So why are we wasting money on it? WE have our own invasion to spend it on,
Agree, there are no good guys in this war.
So why are we wasting money on it? WE have our own invasion to spend it on,
So why are we wasting money on it?
Because we have a mostly ignorant and corrupt congress.
“We had military there 8 years before Russia invaded.
Gee. I winder if ‘building up the country’s military capabilities’ involved weapons? My God. How stupid are you?”
The conflict BEGAN at the end of February, 2014 when Russia went into Crimea and illegally annexed it a few weeks later (an annexation that is not recognized by any established international body); and when Russia fomented civil war in eastern Ukraine by sponsoring and arming separatist movements. Talk about proxy wars! Russia used the separatists — which it supported and armed — to wage war against Ukraine; even so much as inserting Russian troops into the fray (the so-called “Little Green Men”). Even then, Western aid to Ukraine was paltry, at best. This article addresses that:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/obama-trump-biden-ukraine-military-aid-1.6371378
“2014-2015, Ukraine negotiated a series of measures with Russia, France and Germany known as the Minsk Agreements aimed at a political resolution of conflict in Donbass.”
That is well known. And they (Minsk I and Minsk II: Hereafter I refer to them simply as Minsk) were unworkable. In any event, Russia violated them at the outset, because Minsk affirmed Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity, which Russia ignored completely. And, much more. Here’s a link to an article about Minsk:
https://cepa.org/article/dont-let-russia-fool-you-about-the-minsk-agreements/
“In February of this year, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky admitted that he told former German Chancellor Angela Merkel and French President Emmanuel Macron that Kiev never intended to fulfill the Minsk Agreements.”
The only “sources” I’ve seen for that are from the avowed socialist sites “MRonline” and the World Socialist Web Site. Both of whom are very pro-Russia and viscerally anti-West.
“Merkel said that the deal had been merely an attempt to give Ukraine time to gain strength ahead of a full-scale military confrontation.”
She refuted that, saying her comments were taken out of context.
But, your wording is interesting: You are admitting — perhaps unwittingly — that Ukraine feared a “full-scale military confrontation.” If Ukraine sought to gain strength in the face of such a threat, can you blame it? Besides Russia’s two previous wars against Chechnya in the 1990s, in 2008 it had also invaded the sovereign nation of Georgia. Russia’s belligerence and aggression was a well-known fact (which is why former Soviet SSRs and Warsaw Pact members rushed to join NATO when they had the chance: They knew full well what Russia was all about, and they wanted protection from it). And Ukraine, which has a historical distrust of Russians, also knows what Russia is all about.
“I was referring to your implication that I wasn’t an American. You really are sad.”
Too funny! It was YOU who started questioning citizenship when you asked me if I was even an American! To which I merely replied that to you I might be a foreigner.
Give it up, Natasha. Go console yourself with your icons and your scarf.
Bull crap. History does not start when it is convenient for your lying narrative.
Victoria Nuland started it on Feb. 22, 2014 when she perpetrated the overthrow of the democratically elected government of President Viktor Yanukovych.
Well that’s enough lunch money for you.
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