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BREAKING! Ukraine SURRENDERING by the thousands, NATO desperate to keep war going
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Posted on 09/28/2023 3:03:42 PM PDT by ganeemead

They might be finding surrender manuals in some of those French tanks and armored vehicles...

Interesting story. Nobody really wants to die for truly wretched causes...


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To: Williams
Both Zelinsky and Putin use their respective Orthodox Churches as propaganda arms while their people suffer. What we are seeing in Eastern Europe is the same type of issue we see in Africa, borders are arbitrarily made without proper consideration to history, language, or ethnicity. Just look at Moldova, their primary language is Romanian but the eastern region of Transnistria is ethnically Russian by identity and language. The same issue arose in Yugoslavia. People were forced into one nation even though they spoke multiple languages and had different faiths.

If you want a more peaceful example look at Catalonia in Spain.

161 posted on 09/28/2023 6:44:20 PM PDT by LukeL
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To: Williams

Your position is the same as Hillary Clinton, George Soros, biden, all neocons, and Zelensky the coke addict.

You are the kook that does not belong on this forum.

Do you understand the difference between true conservatives and neocons?

Did you ever even read what the founding fathers said about foreign policy?

What do you actually know? Anything?
Because everything you post here is drivel and regurgitated LIBERAL garbage.


162 posted on 09/28/2023 6:47:03 PM PDT by MarMema (Eat your bananas, enjoy the decline)
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To: ought-six

He said “russian”, not Russia.

And it is true.

The entire country democratically elected a pro Russian leader.

Then we stepped in, a la Nuland, and tossed him.

Until that time much of Ukraine spoke and used Russian
On a daily basis.


163 posted on 09/28/2023 6:49:04 PM PDT by MarMema (Eat your bananas, enjoy the decline)
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To: LukeL

“Both Zelinsky and Putin use their respective Orthodox Churches as propaganda”

Nope. I would be happy to educate you on this falsehood.
Please share what made you believe this.


164 posted on 09/28/2023 6:50:23 PM PDT by MarMema (Eat your bananas, enjoy the decline)
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To: MarMema
Until that time much of Ukraine spoke and used Russian On a daily basis.

Then Putin only has himself to blame. He is responsible for Ukrainian nationalism.

165 posted on 09/28/2023 6:52:08 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: Williams
The admiral is alive the report of his death was inaccurate/ false.

True

166 posted on 09/28/2023 6:53:00 PM PDT by cabojoe ( πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡Έ Stop Ukie censorship. Release Gonzalo Lira)
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To: McGruff
Do you ever think about what the Russians claim, and whether it makes any sense of not?

Most combat groups on both sides are using re-purposed VHF and UHF radios with about 5W max power. Most of them are digital radios, with encrypted signals.

They have a pretty short range, often less than 10 miles, and they are of course routinely subject to electronic warfare jamming, etc.

So how realistic is the scheme described by the Russian government? Not very.

The claim that 10,000 soldiers have surrendered is highly unlikely, and seems like typical Russian wishful fantasy thinking.

167 posted on 09/28/2023 7:15:39 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: ganeemead
Why are your sources usually people who have moved outside of the USA in order to avoid legal issues here?

Clayton Morris was reportedly involved in a real estate investing scam where his partner was indicted and plead guilty to defrauding investors in 2022. Morris reportedly moved to Portugal to avoid a civil lawsuit against him.

Why do you think a reliable source of information is a guy who apparently lied to people to get them to invest in a business?

168 posted on 09/28/2023 7:20:28 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: Brellium; Williams; canuck_conservative

Don’t know where you got that but I watched video of him speaking, alive and well.

Ukraine lies consistently. Their leader is a coke addict, just like our leaders son.
They have admitted to embezzling money we sent.
The US press is Biden state media.
So are the neocons.
The US hires marketing firms to promote wars and has had a liar testify to congress, pretending to be a nurse to support a war.
The US has promoted pictures of a supposed Albanian in a supposed pow camp that were fiction. That Shirley actress took them, Penny whatever from Laverne and Shirley.

The US hired a pathologist from Spain to come autopsy these supposed huge mass graves in Kosovo.
And he quit in disgust and told the press there were no mass graves. Just a few military age men who had been shot.

Want more lies? They are out there.
The Ruses of War, Quigley.
Great book, among many others.

We lie to promote war, we demonize with lies.
It’s what we do. Just look at what they did and are doing to Trump. Is this your country? Because I hate it right now.

And we try to run the world. In the process we killed half a million Iraqi infants, and Madeline Albright said it was worth it. For the non-existent WMD that Bush and buddies lied about.

I saw video of the Pres of Bolivia talking about that presentation, where Colin Powell assured them that Iraq
had WMD, promised them.
They are still making fun of us over that.

Blowback is directly ahead.
Do you think Biden throwing nursing home residents out to make room for migrants is the hallmark of a kind country?
That’s what matters to me.

I thought I had grown up in a great country and after Reagan, with the exception of Trumps 4 yrs, it has been nothing but circling the toilet drain.
So yeah, it sux. But even more are the doodle heads posting here, armchair slavs, and supporting those who took us to the toilet drain.

A recently fired buddy of Zelensky just moved after buying a huge villa in Europe.

It is just truly incredible how ignorant freepers have bought into the lies of CNN, Hillary, and Biden.
if you are promoting the lies of those people (not you specifically)
Why come here?

We know how they lied about Trump. We know the entire Russian thing was created by Hillary Clinton.
Yet freepers today will happily regurgitate her crap
here on FR and ridicule those of us who know better.
Of course many are Canadian or French or Spanish or British or Polish or other eurogarbage. They may not realize they are supporting Hillary’s views.

It is like seeing human feces lying in the forum.
I don’t know whether to get in the shower or vomit.

If I had a dime for every time I have been told I live in Russia - for objecting to Biden policy!!!!! - or accused of loving Putin - when really if I were going to go for an elderly duma member it would hands down be Lavrov -
by mostly foreigners who have never been to Russia or Ukraine, never spoken either language, never read one line about cultures there, and never visited an Orthodox church, into which I was baptized and chrismated 25 yrs go..
I would be so wealthy.

It really is an astounding display of ignorance.
And as others have said it is destroying this forum.


169 posted on 09/28/2023 7:23:33 PM PDT by MarMema (Eat your bananas, enjoy the decline)
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To: MarMema
Until that time much of Ukraine spoke and used Russian On a daily basis.

Only in the dreams of Russians. Ukrainians have spoken Ukrainian for a long time.

And in case you forgot, after the pro-Russian leader resigned from office the Ukrainians democratically elected other leaders, including President Zelensky.

Now that Russia has destroyed as much of Ukraine as they could get their hands on it is unlikely that Ukrainians will ever forgive Russia and Russians for what they have done.

170 posted on 09/28/2023 7:23:39 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: Brellium; Williams; canuck_conservative

Don’t know where you got that but I watched video of him speaking, alive and well.

Ukraine lies consistently. Their leader is a coke addict, just like our leaders son.
They have admitted to embezzling money we sent.
The US press is Biden state media.
So are the neocons.
The US hires marketing firms to promote wars and has had a liar testify to congress, pretending to be a nurse to support a war.
The US has promoted pictures of a supposed Albanian in a supposed pow camp that were fiction. That Shirley actress took them, Penny whatever from Laverne and Shirley.

The US hired a pathologist from Spain to come autopsy these supposed huge mass graves in Kosovo.
And he quit in disgust and told the press there were no mass graves. Just a few military age men who had been shot.

Want more lies? They are out there.
The Ruses of War, Quigley.
Great book, among many others.

We lie to promote war, we demonize with lies.
It’s what we do. Just look at what they did and are doing to Trump. Is this your country? Because I hate it right now.

And we try to run the world. In the process we killed half a million Iraqi infants, and Madeline Albright said it was worth it. For the non-existent WMD that Bush and buddies lied about.

I saw video of the Pres of Bolivia talking about that presentation, where Colin Powell assured them that Iraq
had WMD, promised them.
They are still making fun of us over that.

Blowback is directly ahead.
Do you think Biden throwing nursing home residents out to make room for migrants is the hallmark of a kind country?
That’s what matters to me.

I thought I had grown up in a great country and after Reagan, with the exception of Trumps 4 yrs, it has been nothing but circling the toilet drain.
So yeah, it sux. But even more are the doodle heads posting here, armchair slavs, and supporting those who took us to the toilet drain.

A recently fired buddy of Zelensky just moved after buying a huge villa in Europe.

It is just truly incredible how ignorant freepers have bought into the lies of CNN, Hillary, and Biden.
if you are promoting the lies of those people (not you specifically)
Why come here?

We know how they lied about Trump. We know the entire Russian thing was created by Hillary Clinton.
Yet freepers today will happily regurgitate her crap
here on FR and ridicule those of us who know better.
Of course many are Canadian or French or Spanish or British or Polish or other eurogarbage. They may not realize they are supporting Hillary’s views.

It is like seeing human feces lying in the forum.
I don’t know whether to get in the shower or vomit.

If I had a dime for every time I have been told I live in Russia - for objecting to Biden policy!!!!! - or accused of loving Putin - when really if I were going to go for an elderly duma member it would hands down be Lavrov -
by mostly foreigners who have never been to Russia or Ukraine, never spoken either language, never read one line about cultures there, and never visited an Orthodox church, into which I was baptized and chrismated 25 yrs go..
I would be so wealthy.

It really is an astounding display of ignorance.
And as others have said it is destroying this forum.


171 posted on 09/28/2023 7:23:44 PM PDT by MarMema (Eat your bananas, enjoy the decline)
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To: Williams

I posted several links, moron, saying the same thing.

don’t get out much?
Those blinders get in the way of life?

Too much effort to read Documented History????
Good Lord. You are a joke beyond belief.
It is fact that it was a tremendously wealthy country.
And the people lived well.

What is wrong with you????


172 posted on 09/28/2023 7:26:59 PM PDT by MarMema (Eat your bananas, enjoy the decline)
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To: MarMema
It is just truly incredible how ignorant freepers have bought into the lies of CNN, Hillary, and Biden.

You are projecting your fantasies on other people. I have no idea what CNN has to say about anything and I don't believe a word from Hillary or Biden.

But I don't just read Russian propaganda pushed by a network of idiots like the people who made the video posted to this thread.

You can go ahead and admit you are a Russian who hates Ukrainians if that is true. Nobody will be surprised.

173 posted on 09/28/2023 7:27:45 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: freeandfreezing

Why do you de-moKKKer-Rats think you have some sort of a license to lie on forums??


174 posted on 09/28/2023 7:31:07 PM PDT by ganeemead ( )
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To: DavidThomas

I think the Minsk Agreements, negotiated in 2014 & 2015 provide a logical and reasonable place to start for peace.


175 posted on 09/28/2023 7:31:43 PM PDT by Repealthe17thAmendment
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To: DavidThomas

Oh Yoo Hoo.

NATO invaded Serbia.

A sovereign country.

Whoo. The ignorance here is gonna make me buy some wading boots.

Human Rights Watch has conducted a thorough investigation of civilian deaths as a result of NATO action. On the basis of this investigation, Human Rights Watch has found that there were ninety separate incidents involving civilian deaths during the seventy-eight day bombing campaign. Some 500 Yugoslav civilians are known to have died in these incidents.

https://www.hrw.org/reports/2000/nato/Natbm200.htm


176 posted on 09/28/2023 7:33:34 PM PDT by MarMema (Eat your bananas, enjoy the decline)
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To: Williams

Oh you agree with Madeline then?

Half a million infants was worth it?


177 posted on 09/28/2023 7:36:51 PM PDT by MarMema (Eat your bananas, enjoy the decline)
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To: sport

Hard to believe. I found dear *Williams and *ifinnigan easy to align with, close enough in perspective to share a leg in a potato sack race. Very bright and thoughtful, back when I was posting madly on the main forum. I look back at how innocent, naive really, we all were back then— no idea we were already infiltrated with Leftist cutouts, called now, RINOS, inside our institutions.

With O’Biden-Soros *for* all that is demonic, there can’t be a clearer signal this side of Heaven to run for your life, or stand and fight it to the death.

I have to blame the Media eclipse on all foreign information other than the controlled narrative of our solidly controlled institutions keeping us stupid and stuck in the fifties paradigm. It’s hard to break out when suppressed and oppressed.

Thank you for checking in, sport. πŸ™‚


178 posted on 09/28/2023 7:38:44 PM PDT by RitaOK (Viva Christo Rey. For Greater Glory.;)
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To: LukeL

Although I don’t see Assad as a brutal dictator, he also protected Christians in Syria.

Even North Korea, speaking of dictators, has a Russian orthodox church and the attendees are safe under Kim.


179 posted on 09/28/2023 7:40:07 PM PDT by MarMema (Eat your bananas, enjoy the decline)
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To: Repealthe17thAmendment

It would be amazing if Russia would trust us again. I doubt that they will.

Since everyone but Russia lied about those agreements, used the time to ready Ukraine for war with Russia, then wrecked a potential peace in progress by sending Boris to shut it down

No wonder Russia calls us the empire of lies.


180 posted on 09/28/2023 7:44:16 PM PDT by MarMema (Eat your bananas, enjoy the decline)
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