Posted on 09/27/2023 5:35:20 PM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com
Update from Ukraine | Situation on the south, Ukraine advances | Ruzzia Lost the best forces
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDneM_2Bsg0
The summary of the situation of Russian re-invasion to Ukraine covering the recent developments on the battlefield, as of 23rd September 2023 – 22:00 (Kyiv time).[NOTE: two summaries per week, released on Wednesday and Sunday]
https://militaryland.net/news/invasion-day-577-summary/
*** Great interactive maps with viewer controlled Map magnification tool to use for each Front!
https://militaryland.net/maps/
Try the Robinson heir instead. He runs the new show here.
I think the old man is out of the picture. Would explain the change.
VIDEO SUMMATION
28 Sep: Russians Panic! Ukrainian M1A1 Abrams Tanks Finally Arrived Front | Ukraine War Update
Divine Justice
185K subscribers
9-28-2023 7:45 a.m. EDT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70fOpBG8zP4
* Both Closed Caption and Transcript available in English
Can’t trust any news coming out of Ukraine or Russia, as mostly fake news propaganda.
ARTICLE
US-made Abrams tanks arrive in Ukraine sooner than expected
By Doug G. Ware
Stars and Stripes
September 25, 2023
https://www.stripes.com/theaters/europe/2023-09-25/abrams-tanks-ukraine-russia-pentagon-shutdown-11489718.html
[https://ww2.stripes.com/help/web-notice]
Oh? And what are the “settled values of the site?” Enlighten us, will you?
I think people who think Mom is trolling need to be slapped on the head by Gibbs, because they’re being totally stupid.
Not sure who Gibbs is, but he needs to make his own physical threats. And if *you* make another threat like that to me or others, you’d better be prepared to back it up. Your comment is what’s “totally stupid.” (Are you a Valley Girl? I’ve noticed RevMom and some of her other flying monkeys say “totally” a lot.)
Nobody’s SENDING you their threads. You’re CLICKING TO READ them.
When the posts about one topic are so excessive and they dominate the Latest Posts feed all day, every day, you’re dang right we’re going to comment on them. If you people want to try to take over the site by shoving your Zelensky-worship at everybody via the news feed, you’d better learn to deal with the fact that you’re seen as a nuisance by a lot of longtime FReepers and we *are* going to comment on it.
Back in the day the zot would’ve hit you a long time ago…
That’s what you people want, isn’t it? You want everyone who disagrees with my country sending billions of unaccounted, unaudited dollars to a known money-laundering operation to be zotted. You want to get rid of all the true conservative thinkers here on this forum just like Facebook, Twitter and other platforms.
Well, if you *are* a Mod, then do what you’re going to do, pal. And if not, zip it and keep your lame threats and silly attempts to intimidate us to yourself. Who the heck do you think you are?
To quote Tucker Carlson, “Up yours, buddy.”
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Disgraced Ukrainian Ex-Army Spox Slams Zelensky’s Theatrics, Complains About Drugged Up Mercs
Ukraine is fighting to protect “Western values” from Russian “slaves” descended from the Mongols, but is facing difficulties due to poor morale, corruption, drug-addicted mercs, and a president who seems more focused on theatrics than the conflict itself, disgraced Ukrainian Territorial Defense Forces spokesperson Sarah Ashton-Cirillo has revealed.
Commenting on the state of Ukraine’s Armed Forces, Ashton-Cirillo admitted that the situation is “terrible,” and appeared to confirm longstanding speculation about Ukrainian officials pilfering stocks of Western-supplied weapons deliveries.
Ashton-Cirillo also privately accused members of Ukraine’s political and military elite of “trying to profit off of the blood of our lost soldiers,” and “trying to profit off the blood of the men and women who are losing arms and legs.”
Ashton-Cirillo also reiterated that Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova should “of course” be targeted for elimination. “The worst part with her is she gets accepted in the same way that a State Department spokesperson would be accepted. To me there’s nobody who should be off limits…over the course of being able to carry out our full liberation.”
While I don’t know every Russian, I will say that what’s happening in the Kremlin and what’s happening to every Russian that supports Vladimir Putin’s decisions are not human. These people are not human. They are enemies of humanity,” they added.
US Ready to Send Their NATO Peers’ Armies to Be Slaughtered– Russian Top Security Official
Washington will easily send the troops of other alliance [NATO] member countries to be slaughtered without risking the lives of its military, says Russian Security Council Secretary Nikolai Patrushev.
Patrushev clarified that the US treats the troops of alliance members as “colonial armies,” meaning that they are expendable in comparison to the “privileged” American people. He added that international terrorist organizations are also supported and financed by Western secret services and are used to strengthen “Atlanticist influence”.
Patrushed added that hundreds of employees of foreign intelligence services and other persons involved in reconnaissance and subversive work against Russia and its strategic partners have been neutralized in recent years.
The ambassadors of the US, the UK and France tried to force delegations of other countries not to go to Russia for an international security meeting under the auspices of the Russian Security Council, Nikolai Patrushev sain in an article.
From May 23-25, Russia hosted the 11th international meeting of high representatives in charge of security issues under the auspices of the Russian Security Council. The forum was attended by delegations from 101 countries and six international organizations.
“The conference took place in a difficult international situation, under conditions of overt pressure, when the ambassadors of the US, the UK and France tried to force its participants to refuse to travel to Russia,” Patrushev stressed.
This suggests that there is little enthusiasm to engage in substantive interaction.
Yes, early on in this fiasco, I naively tried to have reasoned discussions with some of these people. These attempts were met with snarling, yippy-yappy insults and accusations of being a “Bolshevik,” a “Putin puffer” and other such nonsense. I quickly discerned that these people aren’t interested in discussions.
They want control.
They want to control the narrative, to control us and to control this site.
Meanwhile, comment # 66 posted on 9/27/2023, 11:36:27 PM by UMCRevMom@aol.com tries to throw shade on her own statement, by mixing quotes and declaring a correct quote "a misquote.”
Yes, she talks in circles and I don’t even try to follow all of that gobbledygook. It’s just one of the many manipulative tactics these people use and they’re so arrogant to think that we don’t see it.
Plucky little Zelensky is up against Putin, Biden, Clinton and Obama? And yet he survives visiting Biden and hosting Biden in a visit to Ukraine. Amazing. Cognitive dissonance. Why her favorite Z is positively bullet-proof. Rather like his general and a mentor....
Nailed it. 👍
Ukraine casualties are a State secret, and that’s not because they are so low.
How hard or easy would it be to photoshop a picture like the one of two men in front of the Bandera painting? I have seen other examples of pictures photoshoped here on comments, by people opposed to one side or the other.
A related point of Ukraine history. Many in Ukraine felt so badly abused by Soviet Russia, they welcomed the Germans when they came in WW2 until they learned by bitter experience the Germans were as bad or worse than the Soviets.
Be as skeptical or accepting as you like. Do your own research, as you like. When it comes to all questions of "how hard would it be" to anything related to news-opinion and the like, the answer in a virtual, digital world is that much is possible.
On the other hand, one can review:
"Commentary: Ukraine's neo-Nazi problem," Reuters, 19 March 2018Choose as you will. It doesn't make other perspectives disappear.Source: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-cohen-ukraine-commentary/commentary-ukraines-neo-nazi-problem-idUSKBN1GV2TY
"The figure stands in front of the Stele of Ukrainian Statehood. The monument was unveiled in 2007. for the eve of the holiday of the Intercession of the Theotokos. The full monunment was finished in 2011."It comes down to this. Confirmation bias, pointing this way or that way.Stepan Bandera monument in Lviv
"There are numerous monuments to Stepan Bandera in different cities in Ukraine. Monuments to Bandera, a Ukrainian leader of a split faction of the Organisation of Ukrainian Nationalists leadership, have been erected in Galicia, Volyn and partially in Western Podillia (administratively Ivano-Frankivsk, Lviv, Rivne and Ternopil region), but there are projects to erect monuments to Bandera in cities of other regions in the west of the country, in particular in Lutsk and Khmelnytsky. Also, the question of erecting a monument or memorial sign in honor of Bandera in the capital of the state Kyiv was repeatedly raised, as well as in Chernivtsi. Over 40 monuments have been erected."
Commemoration of Stepan Bandera
"The Ukrainian ultranationalist who allied with Nazi Germany during WWII has experienced a resurgence in popularity because of his struggle against Russia and the Soviet Union. For the last number of years, there has been one regular event every time January 1 rolls around. On that day, Ukrainian far-right activists march through the streets of Kyiv to celebrate the birth of Stepan Bandera (1909-1959), a controversial figure of Ukrainian 20th-century nationalism. In 2023, however, the streets of Kyiv remained silent because of the martial law in effect forbidding demonstrations in times of war."
Stepan Bandera, the Ukrainian anti-hero glorified following the Russian invasion
What is without question is that these threads promote the Zelensky government, and all that would conflict with this is denied. So, what one refuses is "photoshopped," while one one accepts is truth in whole cloth.
In that regard and on this thread, it is repeated that Putin, Clinton, Obama and Biden worked TOGETHER in a "cabal." Together. And now they fight. Or something.
Pick your thug. Cheer for him against the other thug. Yeah, team. < sarc >
Meanwhile in the real world...
"...a 2001 moratorium on the sale of land to foreigners had always represented an obstacle to unrestrained privatisation. As post-Maidan governments turned again to the IMF for financing, aid was conditioned on a series of land reforms that would finally allow foreign corporations to acquire vast tracts of the country's farmland. In 2020, Zelenskyy gave in to the IMF's demands and finally repealed the moratorium. 'Agribusiness interests and oligarchs will be the primary beneficiaries of such reform,' said Olena Borodina of the Ukrainian Rural Development Network. 'This will only further marginalise smallholder farmers and risks severing them from their most valuable resource.' But the World Bank could barely contain its excitement, gushing: 'This is, without exaggeration, a historic event.' Even though the new law isn't set to come into force until next year, US and Western European agrobusinesses have already bought up millions of hectares of Ukraine's farmland — with 10 private companies reportedly controlling most of it."So this is a new development? Not at all. Reading from 2015 in the Obama era...In "The whole Ukraine goes for sale -massive profit opportunities being created by the war' -- July 17, 2023
Source: https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2023/07/17/the-whole-ukraine-goes-for-sale-massive-profit-opportunities-being-created-by-the-war
"Hundreds of millions of dollars in development finance from the World Bank's investment arm have helped to fund the controversial expansion of a billionaire's agribusiness empire in Ukraine, amid growing concern that land and farming in the country are increasingly falling into the hands of a few wealthy individuals. Controlled by one of Ukraine's wealthiest men, Yuriy Kosiuk, the agribusiness company Myronivsky Hliboproduct (MHP) dominates the country's domestic poultry market and exports chicken and luxuries such as foie gras across Europe. Since 2010, it has received at least $200m (£128m) in long-term loans from the bank's International Finance Corporation (IFC)."Believe what you will. But when next you comment to me, provide some URLs to support your view, whatever it may be.Source: https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2015/jul/30/ukraine-agribusiness-firms-quiet-land-grab-development-finance
Regarding my second sentence about initial Ukrainian response to Germans, I asked that question at Google. Below is the URL link to the entire Google page(s) on that subject. From looking at the various article titles, I see the possibility of a number of viewpoints, and some lively discussion. Enjoy the reads.
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Settled values of the site - they're on the FreeRepublic home page for crying out loud. Revmom quoted them in #86. If you don't know what they are, why are you here?
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Not: advocating for abortion or gun control. Not: siding with a resurgent invasion-hungry new Russian empire whose leader is a KGB stooge who never left the Cold War, and who to this day mourns the collapse of the USSR. Not: saying that if that same Russia went to war with the USA, they'd side with Russia.
It's really not difficult.
Not sure who Gibbs is, but he needs to make his own physical threats.
Seriously?! Are you absolutely sure you're not posting from St Petersburg? Leroy Jethro Gibbs slapping heads is literally THE biggest meme out of NCIS. I bet even the ruddy Amish know that, and they don't even have TVs. Mark Harmon's Gibbs was slapping people upside the head - usually because they'd said something stupid or needed a reality check - from 2003 to 2021.
And if *you* make another threat like that to me or others, you’d better be prepared to back it up.
Dude, if you really think I can slap your head all the way from Yorkshire, England by using a fictional TV character as a proxy, then you've been drinking WAY too much of that Russian vranyo and I've got twenty original London Bridges to sell you.
Well, if you *are* a Mod, then do what you’re going to do, pal.
I really don't want to accuse you of being even more dumb than a dumbass who's as dumb as a stump, so instead I'll just suggest that maybe the English courses they're doing in St Petersburg these days are letting you down. Because that's a million miles away from what I was suggesting.
Tell you what: I'll strip out the idioms and turning it into something that grade school Americans wouldn't misinterpret, and then maybe you'll be able to translate it better.
Over the years, I've seen people get banned from here within a day of posting something that was anti-conservative, anti-American, or anti-Christian. Since you're still here and RevMom is still here, it must be obvious that neither of you have done anything worth zotting you for.
I still think the occasional head slap from Gibbs (a fictional character) is probably all this site needs to improve it. And, yes, I stand by that. Gibbs, please for the love of God slap everybody upside the head if they actually think "spam" means "stuff that nobody forced me to read, but I actively chose to read and didn't like it so I chose it again and didn't like it even more".
To quote Tucker Carlson, “Up yours, buddy.”
Of course you'd quote Tucker; he's a dyed in the wool Putinist and it won't be long before he's got his own slot on Rossyia 1 interviewing Steven Seagal, who's one million percent Russian.
Speaking of which, where's Seagal these days? Is he another one of those foreigners in Russia who got accidentally drafted and sent to the Front? Or is he enjoying the 800 million ruble bung he got to build a gym and doing the Putin puffing pro bono?
Don't get too excited, it was less than $20 million at the time. But, that's a lot of money for a gym.
LOL - you would ridicule somebody for not being up on TV memes. I have no shame for not knowing things about TV shows. I freely admit that that I watch very little TV. I’ve never seen an episode of NCIS and I don’t believe that is a detriment. You foreigners sure use strange criteria to judge people. 😂
I really don't want to accuse you of being even more dumb than a dumbass who's as dumb as a stump, so instead I'll just suggest that maybe the English courses they're doing in St Petersburg these days are letting you down. Because that's a million miles away from what I was suggesting.
I think you know deep down I have more smarts in my little finger than you do in your whole being and that’s why you say such ridiculous things.
Anyway, go find any posts of mine where I have expressed support for Putin or Russia. That ought to keep you busy for a while and keep you from bothering me.
In fact, I have a better idea. Since you insist on practicing that stupidity of calling those of us who are opposed to billions of our tax dollars going to fund a known money-laundering operation “Russians” and related garbage, don’t post to me any more.
If you can’t abide by Jim’s rules, it’s probably because he didn’t write them in Ukrainian. But that’s your problem, not mine. Here, run this through your translator:
“We are conservatives. Be respectful to your debate adversary (fellow FReeper). For example, do not accuse them of being a "Putinista", "comrade", "murderer", "baby-killer", etc, just because he may have a difference of opinion whether or not the US government should be involved in a controversial foreign war where we were not attacked.” -Jim Robinson
And I’m going to invoke this one because you don’t meet my IQ requirement:
“Finally, if someone says STOP, then STOP! If someone asks you to take them off your ping list, then take them off! If someone asks you to stop posting to them, the adult and polite thing to do is to accommodate them.” -Jim Robinson
So stop and do not post to me anymore. Bye, now.
It really is odd that Ukraine simply existing bothers some so much. Probably best if they can have a more constructive hobby than wishing death on women and children half a world away.
Regarding my individual and referenced response to you, you did not respond as an individual matter, but scatter shot a search engine result to many. Obviously engaging with you individually is an error, which will no longer be repeated.
Do not ping me again.
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