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To: little jeremiah
Not letting anyone off this hook, but who’s to say who/what has been/is really running Ukraine, just the same as who can tell me who or what is really running the US when Clinton, Bush the younger, obama have been and now oBiden is President?

The same seems to be true for Ukrainians and their Presidents, especially since the Wall fell and then the USSR ended.

Perhaps Russia has been using Ukraine like a business franchise for that market and for plausible deniability or whatever, but then obama and now oBiden take over. Hey, hey, hey, now … we can’t have that. Time for something “special”?

Personally, I feel a sense of solidarity with the normal, family loving Ukrainians who just want to make a good life for themselves, the same as I do for us here, because they also are ruled over by and are at the mercy of criminal enterprises masquerading as legitimate governments, just like we are.

However, the Ukrainians also have the invading Russian neighbors next door, who are attacking them constantly with drones and missiles, artillery, bombs, etc.

28 posted on 09/19/2023 3:02:59 PM PDT by GBA (Endeavor to persevere)
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To: GBA

Hmm, apparently you are extremely ill informed about why Russia is having a war with Ukraine. I, on the other hand, studied up about Ukraine during the so-called “Maidan protests” and learned a lot. In short, Ukraine was waging war against the eastern segments of Ukraine, that were traditionally part of Russia, and the people speak Russian. The leaders begging Putin to help them. They voted to leave Ukraine and Ukraine would not honor the previous agreement to allow that. During that time of turmoil, the Ukraine military killed at least 14,000 civilians.

The CIA and various US politicians have their hands in the Ukraine money pie and have for quite a few years. Of course regular Ukrainians are not, in the main, Nazis, but there are many actual Nazis in Ukraine. Insignia and all, and many of them were active in the baby selling and other nefarious crimes that are even worse.

And then, there are the many bio-labs in Ukraine, partially funded by the US DoD, as well as “invested” in by Hunter Biden’s firm, and many other US entities as well. Russia needed to take those down, which was the very first thing they did in Ukraine. They have massive evidence that they tried to present at the UN and of course the US vetoed it.


33 posted on 09/19/2023 4:53:39 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Never worry about anything. Worry never solved any problem or moved any stone.)
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