Teslas May Soon Boast 434+ Miles Range and 15-Min Fast Charging with New Battery Tech

Vehicle Suggest ^ | September 6, 2023 | By Saurav Revankar

[cba123]

CATL, a name that has become synonymous with cutting-edge battery technology, continues to solidify its position as the world’s largest lithium-ion battery manufacturer. With a focus on innovation and sustainability, CATL has been a crucial player in the electric vehicle ecosystem, supplying batteries to some of the biggest names in the automotive industry, including Tesla.

Recently, CATL made headlines by unveiling its latest marvel – a new lithium-ion phosphate battery that promises to redefine the benchmarks for EV performance. This groundbreaking technology claims to add approximately 400 kilometers (around 249 miles) of range in just a 10-minute charge and enables electric vehicles to travel over 700 kilometers (around 435 miles) on a single charge. These numbers are not just incremental improvements; they represent a quantum leap in battery technology.

The implications of this new technology are far-reaching, especially for Tesla, which currently sources lithium-ion phosphate batteries from CATL. With the potential for faster charging times, increased range, and improved cold-weather performance, this new battery technology could be a game-changer, not just for Tesla but for the broader electric vehicle industry as well.

(Summary) Tesla new battery technology

Table of Contents — Key Features of the New CATL Battery Understanding the 4C Charging Rate Current Tesla’s Charging Speed CATL Energy Density and Range CATL Battery Range Potential Impact on Tesla Cars Cold Weather Performance Comparison with Current LFP Batteries New CATL Battery Chemistry Cathode Material Improvements Temperature Control Technology How Tesla Could Benefit from This New Technology Efficiency and Longevity Faster Charging — Conclusion

[NWFree]

I drive by all the plugins receptacles and charging stations and just laugh

[gibsonguy]

American ingenuity has given the world a lot and l think it’s still out there.

[Vermont Lt]

I wonder what kind of charging station you need for that kind of time/mileage. I doubt it is something you could wire in your home. But, this is good news for EVs.

[Vermont Lt]

A quantum leap is one that jumps a progression.

So if the normal progression is 1-2-3-4, a quantum jump would be 1-2-5-12. It “breaks the linear progression” often in a manner that was not predictable.

[A Navy Vet]

Is that a real placard or a photo-shop AOC is holding?

[ProtectOurFreedom]

That is kind of a national average. Your point about the heavy AC load in the south is a good one. But the system was designed for that load and I think the same general principal would apply — there’s enough extra capacity in your secondary transformer to handle a few EV chargers. Does the AC load go down much at night? Or is it constant through the 24 hour cycle?

Forty years ago, utilities were excited about EVs because they could run their baseload plants at higher output at night to charge EVs. But that was in the era of big nuke and coal plants which are gone now, so that economic motivation went away.

[mikelets456]

My friend described exactly what you’re stating. He mentioned, since more people are getting electric cars, the charging stations can be 2-3 cars deep. So they end up waiting for an hour or more-—then getting a bite to eat, a drink then finally charge. It doesn’t sound like it’s saving them any money at all....wasting time.
I have a RAV4 Hybrid and the only reason I got it was I sold my old car for as much as I bought it and the Hybrid on the lot (new) had a ding above the driver’s door-—he sold it $1500 less than a ICE Rav4 with less gadgets.

49.3 MPG on the way to work today and 59.8 MPG taking back roads a few days ago.

I’m not ready for full blown EV....Unless it’s 600 REAL MPC and charges in less than 5 minutes.

[Tell It Right]

Does the AC load go down much at night? Or is it constant through the 24 hour cycle?

Here in the south the AC load does go down a lot at night in the summer. For most people that means the AC comes on less often during the night.

For me, with a variable speed heat pump and blower, it means at night my AC runs at lower power than during the day. However in the winter I can draw up to 10kW of power using heat strips as a consequence of replacing my old AC and nat gas furnace with the variable speed heat pump and heat strips. But that's not often. Also my hybrid water heater runs at 300W (replacing my old nat gas water heater). Finally, I usually charge my EV at it's Minimum Level 2 setting of 5.6kW (replacing most of our gasoline purchases throughout the year because it's not often we drive the ICE pickup).

These and other energy improvements like caulking cracks and adding insulation are improvements I did as part of going solar to make us more energy self-sufficient. To be honest, when I took on the homework of making my family more energy dependent I wasn't thinking about the grid or secondary distribution systems. I was thinking about energy consumption within my home and at the gas pump and what I could do to reduce how much power I pulled from the grid, how much natural gas I pulled from the pipes, and how much gasoline I bought at the pump. That includes lowering the load (power demand) more often in the day so that my inverters can supply the power (up to 18kW of continuous AC power) without having to pull the excess from the grid. Part of the game with solar is optimizing the DC power coming in and how it's stored in batteries. The other part of the game is minimizing how much power my home needs throughout the day (consume less power on avg per day than the free power coming in from solar) and how much it needs at any one point in time. Usually when I have multiple appliances running simultaneously I'm still well within the 18kW threshold my inverters can provide. Thus in the end I have to buy only 18% of my power from the grid throughout the year.

The end result is that in the past 12 power bills I pulled a total of 4,621kWh from the grid for my all-electric home including charging the EV (I estimate about 22K miles charged at home of the total 26K miles driven). Compare that with the 12 power bills before I went solar totaling 16,356kWh (at which time I also had natural gas bills and was buying a lot of gasoline at the pump).

[V V Camp Enari 67-68]

Agree! What they they are trying to do to us is indefensible!

[Robert A Cook PE]

Suspiciously, no “country of origin” (ownership, technical development, patents, copy-cat technologies and chemistries) is given.

[Jonny7797]

“May Soon”

In other words, this article is pie in the sky.

[Mr. Jeeves]

200 miles and fireproof might be a stronger selling point. :)

[Codeflier]

I was replying to the person that had to spend 3 minutes filling up their ICE vehicle at a gas station. Since I charge my car at home, and not every day, it takes me almost 2 months to spend that much time (based on 3 seconds to plug in and 3 seconds to unplug every 2.5 days or so). The car charges while I sleep, so that time doesn’t count.

The other point I made was that I would never be EV only. I want to have ICE vehicles too. One thing I like is that if there are disruptions to gasoline supplies, I have an alternative source to run my car - electricity.

But I wanted to make clear, I don’t think EVs are for people to have as their only car.

[hopespringseternal]

Call me when the batteries need to replaced on a cost and schedule similar to a gas tank.

[Scrambler Bob]

Highly skeptical. No mention of the TYPE of charger used to get this “10 minute” charging time.
= = =

And at the fast rate, what is the battery temp?

I assume at least ‘warm’.

[lurk]

If they can come up with a battery that...
doesn’t die after a number of charges,
can tow a trailer,
can go the distance in the winter,
doesn’t spontaneously combust,
can reload as quick as a gas fill up,
doesn’t ruin the planet,
doesn’t cost multiple times what an IC car costs,
has value in the used market,
doesn’t need government money,
they’ll have something worth looking at.

[ProtectOurFreedom]

You’ve done a great job improving energy efficiency and reducing draw for the grid. Well done!

In North Idaho (almost 48 degrees north and LOTS of 150 ft tall Ponderosa Pines and Fraser Firs) solar isn’t practical. I’ve done a lot of attic energy improvements including natural draft cupolas on the roof, adding more soffit vent area, adding plywood dams to increase attic insulation depth to 30 inches and putting a closed cell foam cap on the floor of the attic to air-seal it from the house. I did a lot of that to avoid warm air infiltrating the attic which causes ice dams to form.

[MrLucky1966]

Everytime I see this, I keep thinking back to the January/February 1980 issue of Elementary Electronics to the writ in column, "Ask Hank (Scott), He Knows." They made the same claim in 1979. 1979 or 2023, the laws of physics are the same.

What an Outlet

My friend's father invested in a new electric car that he says "Detroit" is trying to suppress. It's a small car that can range up to 150 miles from home and return, and recharge in five minutes due to its very unique battery system. Isn't it a crime how new energy saving systems are being shot down? -L.A., Westland, WI

If all that you say about the car is true, then think of this: assume the car's motor is rated at 40 horse power -remember, you said a small car. Assume it is run at 50 mph for the full range of the car (300 miles.) In six hours of driving, the car uses up 11,040 watt hours of energy. To replace their energy in five minutes would require an AC oulet at your home that can deliver about 92 ampere hours or approximately 1100 am- peres for 5 minutes. Just imagine the size of your house wiring. Remember, when charging a battery, you must replace every kilowatt hour of energy that was used. Also, I did not get into the matter of efficiency and heat in the battery system. A very high current charge produces excessive heat -the battery may even glow! That's not too good for the battery. Look again into the facts, you may have your information jumbled

[TexasGator]

“Call me when the batteries need to replaced on a cost and schedule similar to a gas tank.”

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Standard cars in this day and age are expected to keep running up to 200,000 miles, while cars with electric engines are expected to last for up to 300,000 miles.

https://www.caranddriver.com/research/a32758625/how-many-miles-does-a-car-last/

[HamiltonJay]

If True, it now means that the next MAJOR hurdle needs to be addressed...

Enough charging options and locations and enough actual power on the grid.