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To: PigRigger
As for natural catastrophes... again, we live in a fallen world... this was not the original intention of our lives...

You are side-stepping the question!

The entire essay dwells solely upon the suffering in the World attributable to Man's Fallen State, and claims that, for Free Will to be able to exist, the possibility of Man choosing unwisely (= evil) had to be allowed. Understood!

However, the essay entirely elides the fact that a great deal of Human suffering is attributable to things over which we have absolutely no control, like severe natural catastrophes. Rather, it focuses only on sinful action causing Human suffering.

Why should Free Will necessitate natural catastrophes?

Free Will could exist even in a World entirely devoid of natural catastrophes.

Regards,

62 posted on 09/03/2023 11:12:44 AM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: alexander_busek
Free Will could exist even in a World entirely devoid of natural catastrophes.

You mean only if God,

2. granted us free moral agency, but never have given us anything to choose between [negation of moral choices, and no devil or God].
5. allowed created beings a negative alternative to faithfulness to the creator, and the ability to choose evil, but immediately reversed any effects and not penalized such [negation of consequences to choices].
5. allowed created beings a negative alternative to faithfulness to the creator, and the ability to choose evil, but immediately reversed any effects and not penalized such [negation of consequences to choices].

162 posted on 09/03/2023 12:30:10 PM PDT by daniel1212 (As a damned+destitute sinner turn 2 the Lord Jesus who saves souls on His acct + b baptized 2 obey)
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To: alexander_busek

Free Will


Free will needs to be defined.

Is it absolute free will?

Or is God sovereign? And your “free will” is subject to His Will?

I thought I had free will as a child. My mother had other ideas.............................


258 posted on 09/03/2023 2:46:01 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: alexander_busek

No I did not side stop... The Bible is clear, this is not how creation was intended... we live in a fallen creation... both man made and natural tribulations were not the intention... but are the reality of our separation with God...

The relationship and reality of our developing with God will be reestablished in time... but for now we we strain forward until that time comes...

You ask why... and the Bible states does the pot question the potter... obviously the meaning is to state it is His creation and His right to dictate the purpose of such...

You may choose to believe such or not... but that is the reality of what a follower of Christ understands...


282 posted on 09/03/2023 5:09:28 PM PDT by PigRigger
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