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To: daniel1212
This is the atheist's fair challenge to a believer. WHen responding, it's good to bear in mind Dennis Prager's summary of the challenge and counter-challenge:

The believer in God has to account for the existence of unjust suffering.
The atheist has to account for the existence of everything else.

55 posted on 09/03/2023 11:03:04 AM PDT by glennaro (Never give up ... never give in ... never surrender ... and enjoy every minute of doing so.)
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To: glennaro

“The believer in God has to account for the existence of unjust suffering.
The atheist has to account for the existence of everything else.”

Exactly correct—on both points.


59 posted on 09/03/2023 11:06:45 AM PDT by cgbg ("Creative minds have always been known to survive any kind of bad training." Anna Freud.)
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To: glennaro
The believer in God has to account for the existence of unjust suffering. The atheist has to account for the existence of everything else.

False Dilemma / Equivocation Fallacy!

The atheist does not have to account for everything else, because he never claimed to possess all knowledge or have ALL the answers. Instead, he can honestly answer, "I don't know. My knowledge is not infinite."

The only comparably honest reply a theist should give is likewise: "I simply do not know. It's a true conundrum. I have, to be sure, a couple of dusty old documents that were in fragments, and have been translated and re-translated and then edited and purged and codified in Councils back when people still believed that the stars were stuck to the Firmament, and these documents purport to have answers, but I, myself, am unable to provide forensic-level evidence and prove, with geometric logic, why unjust suffering exists."

THAT would at least be honest.

Regards,

95 posted on 09/03/2023 11:38:18 AM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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