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If God is all powerful, then why can’t he stop evil from happening? That would mean he’s not all powerful. If God refuses to prevent evil, then he can not be all good. So can a Christian explain how God is all powerful and good in this case?
Quora.com ^ | 9/3/2023, | Daniel1212

Posted on 09/03/2023 10:10:00 AM PDT by daniel1212

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To: reasonisfaith
But my suggestion that you don’t really want to be a robot is quite plausible.

If it's so plausible, then why don't you simply enlighten us?

Don't be coy! Spit it out!

"It is preferable to suffer than not to suffer because..."

Why?

Actually, the real question is: Why would the Creator have the effrontery to imbue me with Free Will, knowing that that would result in suffering?

Regards,

181 posted on 09/03/2023 12:52:40 PM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: BipolarBob; citizen

I had tyou, but pennicilin cleared it right up.


182 posted on 09/03/2023 12:53:47 PM PDT by Lazamataz (The firearms I own today, are the firearms I will die with. How I die will be up to them.)
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To: for-q-clinton
Problem is, our finite minds are trying to comprehend the infinite mind.

Just something we cannot do.

Kinda like trying to comprehend eternity.

183 posted on 09/03/2023 12:53:49 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone

Wasn’t that the lesson of Eve and the Apple, that Man cannot possibly understand God, and to believe it possible is a Satanic trick.


184 posted on 09/03/2023 12:55:01 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: alexander_busek; cgbg

Here’s an interesting question. Regarding good will.

Good will is a powerful topic, for one thing because I don’t think it’s ever been reasonably acknowledged to be anything other than a desirable quality fully consistent with a good moral code.

Here’s the question:

Does the man who questions God’s existence have the same good will as he who doesn’t? Where good will is defined as derived from love.

Keep in mind, both men have equal claim to be seeking truth.

But it seems only one can claim to desire love.


185 posted on 09/03/2023 12:55:36 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (What are the personal implications if the Resurrection of Christ is a true event in history?)
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To: reasonisfaith

You like to put your thumb on the scale.

Lol.


186 posted on 09/03/2023 12:56:37 PM PDT by cgbg ("Creative minds have always been known to survive any kind of bad training." Anna Freud.)
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To: daniel1212

The whole question is like asking how many camels
can dance on the head of a pin?

Camels can dance? Who Knew ?


187 posted on 09/03/2023 12:56:37 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: RoosterRedux; Fai Mao
I get a lot of blank stares with that one.

Not from me. My response: In an instant!

The possibility of eternal suffering would thus be removed in one fell-swoop!

How could one not choose that?

But still doesn't answer the problem of all that "pesky" suffering due to natural catastrophes. (One poster here - Fai Mao - has even gone so far as to declare that natural catastrophes have nothing to do with "sin" or "Free Will." In other words: God could have given us the capacity of Free Will, even if we misused it, and sinned - but he need never have allowed natural catastrophes.)

Regards,

188 posted on 09/03/2023 12:58:02 PM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: reasonisfaith
Of note—when those children are with God, their tears and their sorrows will not only be gone. “Gone” includes forgotten.

Big deal. What about the years of terror and pain they have to endure first? Do they take their broken minds with them or does that get fixed in the end, too?

189 posted on 09/03/2023 12:58:07 PM PDT by TangoLimaSierra (⭐⭐To the Left, The Truth is Right Wing Violence⭐⭐)
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To: daniel1212
I don't pretend to have all the answers. "I don't know" and "that's a mystery" addresses many of my questions. What we do have is scripture that witnesses of Jesus, the Son of God. Scripture tells that both faith and grace are God's gifts. We can't will these gifts into being. We need to ask Christ into our life to receive them and as little children - receive His gifts. The cynics in Christ's day received nothing from Him. Those who sought His help - received it. The same is true today.

"For now [in this time of imperfection] we see in a mirror dimly [a blurred reflection, a riddle, an enigma], but then [when the time of perfection comes we will see reality] face to face. Now I know in part [just in fragments], but then I will know fully, just as I have been fully known [by God]." - 1 Cor 13:12

190 posted on 09/03/2023 12:58:08 PM PDT by JesusIsLord
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To: alexander_busek

First let’s approach it from a context of probability: What does your gut tell you? What seems reasonable? Would a majority of people choose free will or the life of an automaton?

And if the answer is most would prefer to be a robot (which is highly improbable), would the absence of free will even allow for conscious awareness? What is a life without conscious awareness?


191 posted on 09/03/2023 12:59:54 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (What are the personal implications if the Resurrection of Christ is a true event in history?)
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To: dfwgator

IIRC....yes.


192 posted on 09/03/2023 1:01:01 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: cgbg

You’re trying to say the desire to deny ultimate good is itself a desire for good?

Explain to me how such a claim is not logically incoherent.


193 posted on 09/03/2023 1:01:48 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (What are the personal implications if the Resurrection of Christ is a true event in history?)
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To: reasonisfaith
Here’s an interesting question. Regarding good will. Where good will is defined as derived from love.

Great! Now we have to start a whole new thread arguing what is meant by "Love!"

If you keep introducing additional, new concepts and points of contention, rather than addressing those already at hand, we'll never reach a solution.

This is a popular tactic with some people:

You: "Free Will is an absolute good, but is purchased at the expense of the possibility of sinning. Suffering is due to Sin."

Me: "But not all suffering is due only to Free Will / Sin. There are also natural catastrophes! They have nothing to do with Free Will. Volcanoes erupt and harm (suffering) the Just together with the Unjust!"

You: "Here's another interesting question: Good will..."

Unnecessarily prolongs the conversation. Diverts from responding to earlier points!

How are natural catastrophes a necessary result of Free Will (or its misuse)?

Regards,

194 posted on 09/03/2023 1:06:34 PM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: alexander_busek

I don’t believe in Self Evident things either.


195 posted on 09/03/2023 1:07:04 PM PDT by Fai Mao (Starve the beast and steal its food!)
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To: alexander_busek

When we speak of God we speak of love, because God is love.

It’s not a different topic.

Love is what we’ve been discussing the entire thread.


196 posted on 09/03/2023 1:08:21 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (What are the personal implications if the Resurrection of Christ is a true event in history?)
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To: Gen.Blather

You are saying this about the one empire on record as having abolished slavery and fought against the practice worldwide. Don’t generalize; that’s an Obama tactic, with all due respect, and he and his allies have used that to broad-brush all white humans as inherently evil and racist for one glaring example.


197 posted on 09/03/2023 1:10:35 PM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: reasonisfaith

Your method of structuring topics for discussion is “putting your finger on the scale” or “rigging the game” or “having the dealer deal from the bottom of the deck”.

You know the outcome you want and then structure the rules to help get that outcome.

How very human of you...

;-)


198 posted on 09/03/2023 1:10:44 PM PDT by cgbg ("Creative minds have always been known to survive any kind of bad training." Anna Freud.)
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To: reasonisfaith
For example, can you prove to me, or to yourself, that what you see in front of you is not a hallucination?

No, I would concede that you might be hallucinating. (Yes, and then you might draw a pistol and... That proves nothing. In good conscience, I must steadfastly maintain that I have no means of proving to you that you are not hallucinating me.)

Yes! This is what the skeptic does: He concedes that some questions are unanswerable, because data is lacking and/or because our computational skills are limited.

The theist, on the other hand...

Regards,

199 posted on 09/03/2023 1:10:47 PM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: dfwgator

I lived in Ireland; I know their propaganda. As for the Indians, perhaps they preferred being terrorized by the Thugees?


200 posted on 09/03/2023 1:12:05 PM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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