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If God is all powerful, then why can’t he stop evil from happening? That would mean he’s not all powerful. If God refuses to prevent evil, then he can not be all good. So can a Christian explain how God is all powerful and good in this case?
Quora.com ^ | 9/3/2023, | Daniel1212

Posted on 09/03/2023 10:10:00 AM PDT by daniel1212

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To: alexander_busek

The spirit is eternal, the body only temporal.

It seems reasonable to think pain and suffering—particularly because they are part of the fallen world but not part of God’s paradise—are a brain (material) phenomenon but not a spiritual one, and as such are wholly temporal and do not persist eternally.


161 posted on 09/03/2023 12:29:26 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (What are the personal implications if the Resurrection of Christ is a true event in history?)
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To: alexander_busek
Free Will could exist even in a World entirely devoid of natural catastrophes.

You mean only if God,

2. granted us free moral agency, but never have given us anything to choose between [negation of moral choices, and no devil or God].
5. allowed created beings a negative alternative to faithfulness to the creator, and the ability to choose evil, but immediately reversed any effects and not penalized such [negation of consequences to choices].
5. allowed created beings a negative alternative to faithfulness to the creator, and the ability to choose evil, but immediately reversed any effects and not penalized such [negation of consequences to choices].

162 posted on 09/03/2023 12:30:10 PM PDT by daniel1212 (As a damned+destitute sinner turn 2 the Lord Jesus who saves souls on His acct + b baptized 2 obey)
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To: daniel1212
I pondered this question for many years, and eventually came to realize what is for me the answer. Time on this Earth is but an instant compared to God's realm, which stretches to eternity. So, basically, God has "bigger fish to fry".

Also, it becomes increasingly obvious with each passing day that Satan owns this dump that we're living in. All God offers to us is a ladder we can climb up to escape the dump, if we so choose.

Thanks God! I'm-a-climbin'!

163 posted on 09/03/2023 12:30:10 PM PDT by The Duke
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To: alexander_busek
I will stipulate that you are correct with regards to our not always fully using our meagre powers to always choose Good over Evil - But your remark does NOTHING to address (let alone weaken) the argument that at least GOD should exert Himself to the utmost. If He were truly omnipotent AND omnibenevolent AND omniscient, He could at least eliminate all Human suffering stemming from, e.g., natural catastrophes. BTW: He could also "zap" - or at least "doxx" - all those serial killers right after they take their first victim, rather than allowing them to continue, sometimes for decades, and sometimes without ever being brought to justice.

Certainly God could, but the premise that He must in order to be good is simply absurd! For one thing, you must disallow the ability to choose, and alternatives to obedience to God, and of consequences for actions, at least evil ones, and which affect others. Plus you must effectively presume omniscience in order to assert "that at least GOD should exert Himself to.. at least eliminate all Human suffering stemming from, e.g., natural catastrophes."

Thus my multiple questions as to what God could do.

164 posted on 09/03/2023 12:30:14 PM PDT by daniel1212 (As a damned+destitute sinner turn 2 the Lord Jesus who saves souls on His acct + b baptized 2 obey)
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To: TangoLimaSierra
How does that apply to a child who is abused horribly for years until worn out then sold for parts?

So which alternatives listed do want to choose? Disallow the ability to choose, and alternatives to obedience to God, and of consequences for actions, at least evil ones, and which affect others?

If we are to blame God for taking life or allowing the abuse of it, why do we not thank Him for giving life, and both good things and good laws, and repent for our misuse and abuse of such?

And would this occur if all the world obeyed what God taught in His universal moral laws?

And where did the moral sense of abhorrence of such abuse come from? Why is this abuse not the norm?

And in the light of all that can be known, not only in this life but for eternity, what was the effect of this terrible abuse?

How did this work to prevent more demonic destruction? Where is the child now?

165 posted on 09/03/2023 12:30:20 PM PDT by daniel1212 (As a damned+destitute sinner turn 2 the Lord Jesus who saves souls on His acct + b baptized 2 obey)
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To: alexander_busek

To see and know creation is a posteriori, not a priori.

Creation is evidence of the Creator.


166 posted on 09/03/2023 12:30:35 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (What are the personal implications if the Resurrection of Christ is a true event in history?)
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To: reasonisfaith
It is impossible to deny God without first wanting to deny him. There has never, in all of academic or common history, been a denial of God derived from pure practical reasoning. It always comes from a desire to deny him.

When someone comes to me and proclaims,

"God exists! And Creation is in a Fallen State because etc... and Natural disasters are a result of our sinful nature and... Free Will would be impossible without the possibility of choosing Sin and... So you see, if a baby isn't immediately baptized before it dies, then it will suffer for all Eternity... Well, there's this place called 'Limbo' where... No, Consubstantiation is Heresy! ...And then the Indians, who were actually Lamanites... So if you wear these magic underwear..."

My first response will be: "Oh, really? That's interesting! What proof do you have? What arguments can you marshal?

You are unfairly (ingenuously?) equating that with denial.

Asking for proof/evidence is a perfectly legitimate precursor to employing ones powers of reasoning!

Regards,

167 posted on 09/03/2023 12:33:57 PM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: daniel1212

God gave Man and Woman free will. Eve abused it 1st and Adam followed.
Who you gonna blame now?


168 posted on 09/03/2023 12:34:07 PM PDT by Harpotoo (Being a socialist is a lot easier than having to WORK like the rest of US:-))
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To: fireman15
Alexander, obviously you have not kept up with the latest and greatest religion in the world today. Climate change causes all natural disasters, such as earthquakes, volcanoes, wild fires, pandemics, bad behavior in children, etc. etc... and is the root of everything else that is evil in the world. God hates everything that emits CO2 or greenhouse gasses, especially large SUVs and cows, but also farts and heating and cooling systems.

Always love your humorous / sarcastic interjections, Good Buddy!

Even if they sometimes distract from the topic at hand.

Regards,

169 posted on 09/03/2023 12:35:44 PM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: ealgeone
IF we were to receive what we're due we'd been wiped out a long time ago.

Justice delayed is Justice denied!

The Justice should have been meted out immediately! Would have saved us a whole lot of suffering.

To say nothing of those weird 1980s hairstyles! / humor

Regards,

170 posted on 09/03/2023 12:37:50 PM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: TangoLimaSierra

Here’s howw: The free will given to objects of creation was used for unrighteousness.

Of note—when those children are with God, their tears and their sorrows will not only be gone. “Gone” includes forgotten.


171 posted on 09/03/2023 12:38:06 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (What are the personal implications if the Resurrection of Christ is a true event in history?)
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To: alexander_busek

“Asking for proof/evidence is a perfectly legitimate precursor to employing ones powers of reasoning!”

Yes, that sounds right.

But only when we acknowledge the limits of proof.

For example, can you prove to me, or to yourself, that what you see in front of you is not a hallucination?


172 posted on 09/03/2023 12:40:15 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (What are the personal implications if the Resurrection of Christ is a true event in history?)
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To: daniel1212

He is either God of All or not at all.


173 posted on 09/03/2023 12:41:01 PM PDT by stockpirate (Where Justice Ends Tyranny Begins...Repression Breeds Violence")
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To: spacejunkie2001

I’m surprised nobody has responded to your post.
That is a huge point.


174 posted on 09/03/2023 12:44:37 PM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Jesus + Something = Nothing ; Jesus + Nothing = Everything )
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To: daniel1212
So which alternatives listed do want to choose?

I choose none of the above.

175 posted on 09/03/2023 12:44:40 PM PDT by TangoLimaSierra (⭐⭐To the Left, The Truth is Right Wing Violence⭐⭐)
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To: ealgeone

Best to the point post on this thread.

Most people hate the answer to your point.


176 posted on 09/03/2023 12:45:56 PM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Jesus + Something = Nothing ; Jesus + Nothing = Everything )
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
Thank you dnniel. I look forward to trying POE

I just realized that my first comments to my article was for another article I planned to post and comment on and which I used https://poe.com for. It was text that was on my clipboard and I somehow posted it as a comment here, but belongs in this powerful testimony to God's great grace: . Will post here later, by the grace of God.

177 posted on 09/03/2023 12:47:19 PM PDT by daniel1212 (As a damned+destitute sinner turn 2 the Lord Jesus who saves souls on His acct + b baptized 2 obey)
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To: daniel1212

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178 posted on 09/03/2023 12:47:50 PM PDT by gattaca (Either you will control your government, or government will control you. Ronald Reagan)
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To: alexander_busek

snark


179 posted on 09/03/2023 12:48:02 PM PDT by one guy in new jersey
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To: gitmo
If God didn’t allow us free will, then He couldn’t show His lovinkindness and His incredible Grace.

Indeed: His love and kindness and grace would be entirely superfluous!

By the same token: If I didn't bang my head against the wall, I wouldn't know how good it feels to stop!

If I have to renounce Free Will to avoid suffering - even at the cost of never experiencing His love and kindness - then I choose NO SUFFERING.

It is the most-logical choice.

(Imagine, before the beginning of Creation, an infinitely merciful and infinitely wise Being pondering all the suffering that would ensue, and then saying, "Eh, maybe better not!" Instead, of simply doing nothing, He chose to knowingly inflict great suffering on many of His children.")

Regards,

180 posted on 09/03/2023 12:48:14 PM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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