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To: Jan_Sobieski; Campion
We did not have the probe or sensor technology in 69.

ROFL!!!

We had it in 1958. James Van Allen's discovery of these trapped radiation zones was the first physical phenomenon discovered by space exploration.

BTW, that "third belt" appeared and disappeared over the course of a few weeks following a solar storm. It was more of an inward expansion of the outer belt, than a wholly separate belt.

We had sufficient understanding of the Van Allen BELTS in 1969-70 to navigate AROUND them ... AROUND being the important point that some people seem incapable of comprehending or unwilling to acknowledge. That isn't to say that we knew everything about them in 1970 or that we know it all today.

82 posted on 08/03/2023 11:44:45 AM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: NorthMountain

Escape velocity (or even a velocity allowing a spacecraft to achieve low-earth orbit) is ideally achieved (as in, most efficiently) by lifting off exactly from the equator and rocketing straight eastward (zero azimuth). This takes full advantage of the approximately 1000 mph of initial “flinging force” supplied by the rotation of the earth around its North-South axis.

Polar orbit is relatively difficult to achieve since shortly after liftoff the vehicle needs to begin turning to the left toward a zero or near zero azimuth (or right toward 180), eventually spending/losing that initial flinging force. An large amount of extra fuel is therefore needed to be onboard at liftoff to continue propelling a (typically small, always unmanned) spacecraft (such as the Gravity Probe B) into a low-earth polar orbit.

The manned Apollo missions bound for the moon didn’t need to get into polar orbit per se, but the DID need to take somewhat of a hard left (azimuthal) turn after liftoff to get into (and supposedly temporarily DWELL IN) an elevated angle low-earth orbit, since it supposedly needed to staged in such a way to avoid going through the bulk of the Van Allan Belt.

Lighting up again to speed up to escape velocity, the vehicle needed to then simultaneously turn hard again, this time upward, from an orbital elevation of zero or thereabouts, initially probably to something like 50 or 60 degrees to avoid the Van Allen Belt, then quicky upwards of what, say 80 degrees elevation before straightening out toward its rendezvous with the moon.

So much extra fuel is needed for all of this maneuvering. How were multiple humans and all of their heavy spacecraft(s), science equipment, and extra fuel for the return trip, all lifted and carried all that way? Looking back now, it’s easy to see why LBJ and NASA might have started thinking about stealthily throwing in the towel and faking the whole thing.


90 posted on 08/03/2023 4:30:14 PM PDT by one guy in new jersey
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To: NorthMountain

Oops directly eastward is 90 degrees azimuth!


91 posted on 08/03/2023 4:32:50 PM PDT by one guy in new jersey
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