Posted on 07/07/2023 5:29:29 PM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com
Update from Ukraine | Cluster Shells approved | It will help to break through the Ruzzian defense
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3QH8ofpAvQ
The summary of the situation of Russian re-invasion to Ukraine covering the last 48 hours, as of 6th July 2023 – 22:00 (Kyiv time).
https://militaryland.net/news/invasion-day-498-summary/
*** Great interactive map with viewer controlled Map magnification tool to use for each Front!
https://militaryland.net/maps/
ARTICLE
Sky News [excerpt]
Friday 7 July 2023 23:21
https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-war-latest-russia-putin-wagner-prigozhin-belarus-12541713
“It is ‘intolerable’ that Ukraine be allowed to run out of artillery.” Jake Sullivan, National Security adviser, defends sending cluster munitions to Ukraine, saying they will be sending a version that has a REDUCED “dud rate”, meaning fewer of the smaller bomblets fail to explode.
The unexploded rounds, which often litter battlefields and populated civilian areas, cause unintended deaths.
“We recognize the cluster munitions create a risk of civilian harm from unexploded ordnance,” the National Security adviser said.
“This is why we’ve deferred the decision for as long as we could.
“But there is also a massive risk of civilian harm if Russian troops and tanks roll over Ukrainian positions and take more Ukrainian territory and subjugate more Ukrainian civilians, because Ukraine does not have enough artillery.
“That is intolerable to us.”
Russia spent months digging into defensive positions, surrounding them with landmines and building heavily armed fortifications making Ukrainian advances in the east and south slow and bloody. Russia had been indiscriminate in their use of cluster munitions with a much higher risk of collateral damage. Russia has been using cluster munitions since the start of the war.
“The munitions we will provide Ukraine will have a dud rate of below 2.35%. And, we are working with Ukraine to reduce the risks associated with these weapons.” Ukrainians would be reporting back the usage of these weapons to the US.
You need to start learning how to seek out facts and information.
You can use any source that can send you to the actual source of the information they are using. I use multiple sources before I post but once you know the information you want to post, it is convenient to be able to cut and paste an article’s text summing it up.
Also, the majority of that post is actually ALjazeera using the source they name.
Is using them a war crime?
The use of cluster bombs itself does not violate international law, but using them against civilians can be a violation. As in any strike, determining a war crime requires looking at whether the target was legitimate and if precautions were taken to avoid civilian casualties.
“The part of international law where this starts playing [a role], though, is indiscriminate attacks targeting civilians,” Human Rights Watch’s associate arms director Mark Hiznay told The Associated Press news agency. “So that’s not necessarily related to the weapons, but the way the weapons are used.”
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/7/7/what-are-cluster-munitions
“use chemical and biological weapons against those evil Russian civilians?
... If that doesn’t work, break out the tactical nukes!”
Your jumping to using chemical, biological, and tactical nuke weapons is disgusting.
Define peace.
A foreign Empire implements a Color Revolution and overthrows the guy that 80+ percent of your area voted for. And installs the losers.
So you secede and declare yourself independent, and the country you left, along with the foreign Empire attacks you militarily for 8 years.
You try to negotiate peace, but it goes nowhere, and the Empire politicians later admit that the negotiations were just a pretext to rearm for a bigger attack.
At that point, the big country next door which you have a lot of ethnic ties, intervenes for its own reasons to create more defensible borders against the foreign Empire.
And, the foreign Empire which previously severed a province and created a new country, as well as invading and occupying and overthrowing two foreign governments, that Empire denounces you for annexing foreign territory, trying to overthrow a government, and violation of international law.
Did I miss anything ?
Oh yeah, the foreign Empire denounces you for using the exact same weapons and tactics that they used in their wars.
This is s bone he is throwing Zelensky
You need to start learning how to seek out facts and information.
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Nah. I have a lot of training in that. You need to give up the propaganda - but you won’t.
Don’t be an idiot. I made a reductio ad absurdum argument against your compadre who is quite literally CALLING FOR DEADLY TERRORISM against innocent civilians in Russia. Presumably the terrorism “desertsolitaire” recommends would be carried out with weapons supplied by MY COUNTRY and paid for by ME. Maybe even with troops or agents from MY COUNTRY’S MILITARY. As a UMC elder, terror against civilians — even “your enemy’s” civilians — doesn’t disgust you?
While we’re on the subject: you’re revering Jake Sullivan as some sort of wise, heroic statesman. Jake Sullivan is a marxist piece of sh!t who would gladly use cluster bombs against his own conservative countrymen, if only he could. I often wonder how you handle the cognitive dissonance that must go along with supporting the utter, demonic evil of the warmongering Biden administration. It must be a challenge.
NATO may have no interest in attacking Russia, and maybe it was a defensive move, but it was still apparently too close for comfort in Russia’s eyes. Shortens the time in which their capital can be obliterated.
As for the second question, are you kidding?
The particulars are not important. The negotiator will soon discover which issues are most important to each side. The two sides have to be pressured into it soon, because things are getting out of control.
China was trying to get them to talk at one point. Also, it came out yesterday that there has been at least one talk between the U.S. national security officials and Lavrov while Lavrov was in town for a meeting of the UN Security Council. So people are trying.
Yet you didn’t know the attack happened and you don’t know what is the illegal use of cluster bombs, both described in post 18.
The second part of that question was valid, and did you notice that Russia didn’t care about Finland joining NATO?
Russia desperately wants and needs Ukraine, it isn’t about NATO proximity.
Ukraine Propaganda.
No major U.S. News source EVER reported Russian use of Cluster Bombs.
I’m guessing that’s why you used this DW source.
Never heard of this Propaganda News Source.
Yet, all major U.S. News reporting that Biden is giving Cluster Bombs
to Ukraine.
That’s the difference.
Now I really pray that the Russians prevail.
“””No major U.S. News source EVER reported Russian use of Cluster Bombs.””
I see it in the WSJ, NPR, CNN, Vox, Newsweek, Military News, the NYTs, Reuters, and others.
No matter how many times you tell the Bidenstooge ansel12 the facts, he’ll roll right back to Wikipedia....
Post a link
Or Links.
Then why didn’t you like to U.S. sources?
Instead of some unheard of DW Source.
| In the General/Chat forum, on a thread titled Update from Ukraine | Cluster Shells approved | It will help to break through the Ruzzian defense, tennmountainman wrote: |
Ukraine Propaganda. |
Yes, having just read through it I can say the DW website clearly supports the Ukraine propaganda 'narrative'. It's based in Germany, a highly invested NATO nation currently fighting the proxy war against Russia.
“I made a reductio ad absurdum argument”
No you TOTALLY failed in your attempts to establish a claim by show the opposite scenario would lead to absurdity or contradiction.
Actually, you only proved the OPPOSITE!!!
Yeah, sure, UMCRevMom. Whatever you say.
How do you do what you do, say what you say, and be what you claim to be, all at the same time? Puzzling. I will pray for you.
It is a major news source and I was posting simple generic information.
You haven’t actually posted anything of substance, you just keep working on avoidance and wasting my time.
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