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To: ChronicMA
he appears to take the treaty with Britain in 1783 as our founding document instead of the Declaration of Independence.

I'm glad you cite the Declaration of Independence. It explicitly says that people have a right to become independent from a government they see as no longer representing their interests.

And yes, the Declaration is our founding document. The Courts have ruled continuously that American Citizenship began July 4, 1776.

I'm sure Walter Williams has other reasons for believing the South had a right to secede, but he had only a little time, and so he started where he thought was best for his argument.

11 posted on 06/29/2023 4:42:13 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp

I’m sure Walter Williams has other reasons for believing the South had a right to secede, but he had only a little time, and so he started where he thought was best for his argument.


He wanted to back up his argument with words written in the treaty and words in some of the states ratification documents.

The country was founded years before the treaty. The federal government was created years before the ratification documents.

None of these ex post facto words have any relevance to the issue.


28 posted on 06/29/2023 4:56:16 PM PDT by ChronicMA
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To: DiogenesLamp

Wow, people in Whatcom County WA are beginning to see our government as no longer representing us. Our local and state government, that is. There is no chance for us to secede from the state, though.

Our local store, Nagger’s is asking us to donate to DEI at the check out stand. Then, we go to Bellingham to shop and there are no grocery carts because they have all been stolen. They fill them up with groceries and walk out the doors d just walk away. There is nothing the store can do because it is against the law to stop shoplifters.


30 posted on 06/29/2023 4:56:33 PM PDT by Eva
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To: DiogenesLamp

Wouldn’t that be a great “gotcha” question for political candidates?

Because most candidates wouldn’t know how to answer, or would default to their usual - “You ain’t got F16s, man”, or suggest nuking American citizens, while on the other hand even the mere suggestion of retaliatory strikes on foreign countries who would strike first is “not who we are”.

I think reasonably intelligent people could give good answers, the problem with too many of our politicians frankly is they are not very bright. It isn’t a matter of education - they have the *credentials* but they are too often very dense and cheerleaders for unitary government. They don’t believe in our form of government, they hate it and want to change it, believing they are smarter than the engineers who designed it.

I used to see this in maintenance and repair and troubleshooting of equipment large and small. “Did you do this, like the book says?”

“No, that doesn’t make any sense to me.” Sometimes people don’t realize, simply because they personally don’t understand why something is done a specific way, that doesn’t mean you get to skip it. Sometimes individuals are smarter than the inventors, engineers, and architects of a design.

But that’s probably not the way to bet.


60 posted on 06/29/2023 5:47:34 PM PDT by Freedom4US
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