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 ·How much did the average Roman know about Parthia?
0:00·welcome to this latest edition of the
0:02·total Stone q a I'm Garrett Ryan and I'm
0:05·here to answer your questions about the
0:07·ancient Greeks and Romans
0:09·if you have a question about Antiquity
0:11·that I don't answer here please ask it
0:13·in the comments and I add to my list
0:16·today we have a nice tidy list of four
0:19·questions the first of which submitted
0:21·by DOTA Swatch is
0:23·how much did the average Roman know
0:25·about Parthia
0:27·good question
0:29·the parthian Empire is the Great Eastern
0:32·adversary of the Romans for almost three
0:34·centuries that was replaced by the
0:36·sasanian a Persian Empire
0:39·it Incorporated what's now Iraq and Iran
0:42·parts of Afghanistan and a hefty chunk
0:44·of the Central Asian Republics
0:46·it was a formidable adversary as the
0:50·Romans discovered to their great cost at
0:52·Karai where crosses and much of his army
0:55·was uh well lost
0:57·there were many later Wars against the
1:00·parthians Marc Anthony's campaigns the
1:03·war of Nero and Armenia
1:05·trajan's great conquest of Mesopotamia
1:07·the war of Lucius Ferris and the 160s
1:10·A.D and septemia severus's March into
1:13·Northern Mesopotamia among others
1:16·in all of these campaigns many Romans
1:18·were involved and this is where most
1:21·first-hand knowledge apartheid would
1:22·have come if you were a soldier was
1:24·marched out into the desert on one of
1:25·these you would have seen at least a few
1:26·parthian cities
1:28·um and had at least a fleeting glimpse
1:30·of the parthians armies with their
1:31·Infamous parthian shots coming at you
1:34·over your uh to Studio
1:37·now besides Soldiers the Romans who have
1:40·known Parthia best would have been
1:41·Merchants there was extensive trade
1:43·between Wars over the Syrian Frontier
1:46·especially the Overland branch of the
1:49·silk route Silk Road came in through
1:51·Parthia and so those involved in that
1:53·for a lucrative trade would have known
1:55·bits of Parthia at least the frontier
1:57·cities
1:58·they're also of course were texts that
2:00·recorded parthian geography parthian
2:04·history we don't have too many of these
2:06·sadly but they existed for those who
2:08·were literate and had time on their
2:09·hands
2:11·for most Romans however who were not
2:13·marching into Parthia trading with
2:15·Parthia or reading about Parthia Parthia
2:18·was known primarily Through The
2:19·Monuments and commemorative coins of the
2:22·Emperors who won victories there
2:25·there were quite a few of these so in
2:26·the Forum in the in Rome for example
2:29·there is the septimius sephorus which
2:32·commemorates his victories in
2:33·Mesopotamia we still see if you look
2:35·closely they're rather worn beliefs now
2:37·troops marching through Mesopotamian
2:40·cities and triumphing as their want to
2:42·do in such monuments
2:44·there's also the Lost arch of Augustus
2:46·which commits that Emperor's recovery of
2:48·the standards lost at Karai by crosses
2:53·um in more General circulation so to
2:55·speak there are coins handled by
2:57·millions which commemorate the emperor's
2:59·victories of aparthea showing standards
3:01·recovered for example in the case of
3:03·Augustus or Victory monuments raised in
3:06·the wake of those victories
3:08·they're even our provincial monuments so
3:10·in Ephesus for example there is the
3:12·parthian altar which is raised in the
3:14·wake of which is various victories over
3:16·the parthians
3:18·so for most Romans in short parthias
3:20·known through propaganda raised by the
3:23·Emperors who had triumphed or claimed a
3:26·triumph over their Eastern foes
 ·What did the Romans know about the city of Babylon?
3:31·our second question submitted by Anthony
3:33·is closely tied to the first and it is
3:37·how much did the Romans know about the
3:39·city of Babylon
3:41·well less than you might think
3:43·so Babylon had been the great Metropolis
3:46·of the near East much celebrated by
3:49·Herodotus for example who enthused about
3:52·the city's vast walls those uh baked
3:55·brick behemoths that ring to the city
3:57·later sources talked a great deal about
4:00·the Hanging Gardens of Babylon which
4:02·were inscribed in the lists of the Seven
4:04·Wonders
4:05·but by the time of Augustus and even
4:08·well before Babylon had shrunked
4:11·insignificance it had been supplanted
4:14·these Lucid Kings these are the Kings
4:17·who replaced Alexander who found an
4:19·Empire it's initially quite vast
4:21·stretching from Syria off to Afghanistan
4:24·had centered their empire in Syria and
4:27·Mesopotamia in Mesopotamia they had
4:29·founded quite near Babylon the city of
4:31·salukia on the Tigris
4:34·is it taken a great deal of the
4:36·lifeblood away from Babylon had taken
4:38·its trade
4:39·later still the arsasid parthian Kings
4:42·had founded tisaphon near salukia and as
4:45·someone remained of the wind in
4:47·babylon's sales
4:49·so by the reign of Augustus there wasn't
4:51·much left of Babylon maybe a few temples
4:54·and not much else
4:55·everything those brick those great walls
4:59·the Hanging Gardens the multitudinous
5:02·houses
5:03·seem to have sunk back down into the
5:04·floodplain as mud brick does and uh not
5:08·much was left
5:10·the Romans knew where the city was or
5:12·had been Thanks to their geographers and
5:15·they marched over it a few times during
5:17·the campaigns against the parthians
5:19·during which Roman armies repeatedly
5:21·sacked and burned salukia and tisaphon
5:24·but Babylon itself was a ghost known if
5:28·at all through literature
 ·What were the most stable periods in Roman history?
5:33·our next question submitted by
5:35·Nathaniel's creative collections is
5:39·besides the age of the five good
5:40·Emperors what were the most stable
5:42·periods in Roman history
5:46·well stable depends of course on where
5:49·you are and on who you are
5:51·and who you are especially important
5:54·because if you're in Rome for example
5:56·even though you're usually exempt from
5:58·things like Barbarian raids that be
6:00·subject if you're a wealthy Senator to
6:03·the depredations and other unwanted
6:05·intentions of the emperor if he's
6:07·someone like a Nero or a Caligula and of
6:10·course people like that the ones who
6:11·write our histories and determine our
6:12·perspective on these periods so we have
6:15·to kind of work around their Outlook
6:18·but speaking more generally there are
6:20·certainly eras in which there's General
6:22·Tranquility across the Empire despite
6:24·the usual uh rating on the edges and you
6:28·know pestilence Within
6:30·so the Julio claudian period that is you
6:33·know the Emperors from Augustus to Nero
6:35·is pretty good despite you know the uh
6:39·unpleasantness of living in Rome under
6:41·the Reigns of someone like Caligula or
6:43·parts of Nero's reign
6:46·um in the provinces it's a time of
6:47·recovery from the wars of late Republic
6:49·a time of General prosperity of
6:52·population growth
6:54·um and apparently it's it's pretty good
6:55·for most people
6:57·uh you know after this we have the year
6:59·of the four Emperors which is good for
7:01·almost no one Beyond Vespasian then
7:04·again the flavian period is noises of
7:06·calm the spaces rain the reign of Titus
7:08·and domitian uh they're all pretty good
7:11·in Roman around Rome
7:14·um you know titus's Reign famously is
7:15·marked by disasters of Vesuvius there's
7:18·also a pestilence in Rome but it seems
7:20·like for most people and despite
7:23·emissions bad reputation among
7:25·historians it's not a bad word not a bad
7:27·time to be Roman again assuming you're
7:30·free and relatively wealthy
7:33·after this we have the year Reigns of
7:35·the five Emperors who are always treated
7:36·as the apogee rightly or wrongly got a
7:39·video on that check it out told in stone
7:42·um and then we have the chaos of Lake of
7:46·commerce's Reign the late reign of
7:47·counters especially and the year of the
7:49·five Emperors 193. uh that again is a
7:53·rough time to be in Rome especially for
7:55·trying to claim the throne um or a
7:56·soldier fighting for one of those
7:58·emperors
7:59·um but the severon period is actually
8:01·again pretty stable
8:03·would have been pretty wild to be in
8:04·Rome I think during the valley gapless
8:07·who is the the famous uh boy Emperor who
8:10·throws a orgyestic rights for the sun
8:12·god a lagabal in the capital again good
8:15·time for everybody unless you're a
8:16·senator
8:17·but um after the severance of course the
8:20·mid-third century that's when the props
8:22·are kicked away and the Empire descends
8:24·into the chaos of the military Anarchy
8:27·there are oasis of calm after the
8:31·mid-third century um the early
8:33·patriarchic period for example was
8:35·pretty good if you weren't a Christian
8:38·um after this parts of Constantine's
8:41·Reign uh the reign of his sons
8:43·contagious II of the reign of
8:46·valentinian uh even parts of the reign
8:48·of theaters just the first are pretty
8:50·stable throughout the Empire but they're
8:52·only islands of calm there are more and
8:55·more disruptions more Civil Wars more
8:57·invasions
8:58·and the fifth century is a real mess
9:00·really almost across the Empire except
9:02·for the east
9:04·um so again you know it depends on who
9:06·you are it depends on where you are and
9:08·it's all the pitfalls of living in a
9:09·pre-modern society where there's a short
9:12·life expectancy and diseases everywhere
9:14·but there are certainly long periods
9:16·outside the remains of the five Emperors
9:17·that are pretty stable in most Roman
9:20·Empire
 ·Did the Romans have ethnic stereotypes?
9:24·our final question also submitted by
9:26·Nathaniel's creative collections is
9:30·do the Romans have stereotypes about
9:32·people from different provinces or parts
9:34·of the empire
9:36·oh yeah
9:37·now as you'd expect people who lived in
9:40·the capital in the city of Rome tender
9:42·regard provincials as uh unsophisticated
9:46·Hicks of various descriptions
9:48·but there was more granular stereotyping
9:52·about those from different parts of the
9:54·empire
9:55·now those from the Barbarian fringes of
9:59·the north and west that's like Northern
10:01·Gaul Britain for example uh tended to be
10:03·regarded as barbarians themselves
10:06·essentially
10:07·um can tell us famously has this little
10:10·bit about people from Spain who rinse
10:13·their teeth with urine probably didn't
10:15·happen incidentally but again it's a fun
10:18·little scrollless bit to squirrel away
10:20·in an epigram
10:22·um we hear about people who are beer
10:24·drinkers they're from the north
10:26·um so the emperor Valens for example
10:29·um is stereotype as a Beer Drinker uh
10:31·pants wearers and people again from the
10:33·uncouth unsophisticated uncultivated
10:35·North
10:37·but the Romans really have it in
10:38·interestingly for easterners who are
10:41·seen in general as being sophisticated
10:43·and clever but lazy and somehow unmanly
10:47·the Greeks for example there are lots of
10:50·Greeks in Rome many of them working as
10:52·tutors for example or as merchants
10:55·they're almost regard them as being
10:56·tricky you know don't trust a Greek
10:58·bearing gifts and all that sort of thing
11:01·and I don't really trust them very often
11:03·there's a lot of anti-greek stereotyping
11:07·um it's it's on uh even though most
11:09·educated Romans know Greek they're
11:11·taught it from early age
11:13·um you only speak Greek in the Senate
11:14·it's not something it wouldn't be done
11:16·because it's uh again kind of a
11:19·not Roman
11:21·now there's even more stereotyping about
11:24·people from the Far Eastern provinces so
11:27·Syria for example
11:29·the ceterus juvenile has a rather
11:31·vicious satire about syrians he uh
11:34·laments how the orantas the river of
11:37·Antioch is gushing into the Tiber and
11:40·how syrians these effeminate dissolute
11:42·syrians are everywhere
11:45·and so again there's this idea that
11:47·these people are trying to incinate
11:48·themselves into Roman society and take
11:50·the good jobs and uh get money for
11:53·themselves where they they haven't
11:54·earned
11:55·uh Egyptians are also stereotyped as
11:57·being uh tricky uh they're they're
12:00·feverish According to some Urban
12:02·stereotypes
12:03·um an Egyptian is a natural Thief
12:05·there's also regarded by some Romans as
12:08·being almost morbidly religious juvenile
12:12·again who has to be counted on for some
12:13·good old-fashioned chauvinism
12:15·um has a really vicious satire about a
12:18·battle between two Egyptian Villages and
12:21·has some really nasty comments about uh
12:23·worship of animals and things like that
12:26·so the Romans despite not being racist
12:29·per se
12:30·um have all kinds of bad things to say
12:32·about people from different parts of
12:33·their own Empire
12:35·um and of course even less positive
12:37·about barbarians who will live beyond
12:39·the pale Beyond The Blessing as Roman
12:40·civilization
12:43·that wraps it up for this edition of
12:47·tolenstone q a if you have questions
12:49·about Antiquity feel free to drop them
12:51·into the comments in the meantime thanks
12:53·very much for watching

1 posted on 06/24/2023 9:07:39 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
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To: SunkenCiv

Sure, why not. People are people, human nature hasn’t changed. Ever.


3 posted on 06/24/2023 9:10:12 AM PDT by john drake (Lucius Accius-Roman,170 BC - "oderint dum metuant" translated "Let them hate so long as they fear")
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To: SunkenCiv

“Did the Romans have Ethnic Stereotypes?”

Sure, you were either Roman, or a Barbarian.


4 posted on 06/24/2023 9:13:30 AM PDT by BobL
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To: SunkenCiv

Maybe the mother wolf’s milk somehow got into the DNA of Romulus and Remus.


5 posted on 06/24/2023 9:16:13 AM PDT by ryderann
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To: SunkenCiv
I heard this was a common refrain around Rome:


12 posted on 06/24/2023 10:28:35 AM PDT by Larry Lucido (Donate! Don't just post clickbait!)
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To: SunkenCiv

I’m pretty sure they did.

Much talk of Tacitus and his “Germania”.

He may not have known much about the actual Germans, but he created a vivid picture of them that influenced later German history.

Also, Cato the Elder sure had stereotypes about Greeks.


14 posted on 06/24/2023 10:39:44 AM PDT by x
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To: SunkenCiv
No, that would be "Racics" so they had industrial Boom Boxes.


18 posted on 06/24/2023 11:14:47 AM PDT by mabarker1 ( (Congress- the opposite of PROGRESS!!! A fraud, a hypocrite, a liar. I'm a member of Congress!!!)
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To: SunkenCiv

People have been stereotyping each other since the Homo Sapien family tree developed its second phenotype. It’s hard-wired into our behavior (and DNA) to focus on what’s different about people, and to use that information to distinguish “us” from “them.”


20 posted on 06/24/2023 11:24:55 AM PDT by threefinger
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To: SunkenCiv

Yes they did. When they spoke, their R’s sounded like W’s. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrcbCW4y9Dw


27 posted on 06/24/2023 1:32:00 PM PDT by EvilCapitalist (Sodomy is nothing to be proud of.)
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To: SunkenCiv

standards lost at Karai by crosses

I believe its Carrhae and Crassus...AI...its GREAT!

Sure they had ethnic stereotypes...so did their enemies of them.


28 posted on 06/24/2023 1:42:24 PM PDT by Adder (ALL Democrats are the enemy. NO QUARTER!!)
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