Posted on 06/08/2023 4:15:32 AM PDT by Phoenix8
Incorrect - look at the map
North of Vasilyvka, Russia does not hold territory on the east bank until the Donbas region.
Russia retreated from Kherson despite saying clearly that the 4 oblasts were part of Russia after their manipulated (and false) referenda
Russia retreated from territory it claims.
Very good synopsis over what really happened.
May I use?
the ethnic Russians and Russian speakers have not been oppressed. -- this is provable in terms of raw numbers -- the refugees who fled to Poland, Romania etc. were overwhelmingly Russian-speakers from the east. Why did these "Russian ethnics" run to Poland/Romania/the west instead of to Russia?
Then in terms of personal experience - the people we helped were Russian speakers from the eastern oblasts - they were adamant that they didn't need “saving” or “rescuing” as they never felt oppressed in any way. AND, they couldn’t understand the fact that – if they’re the ones that needed saving – why it is their cities and regions which are being completely destroyed.
Some admitted that they felt an affinity with Russia before 2014, that was weakened, but after the Russian invasion of 2022, they identify as Ukrainians and shun anything Muscowite - some even shifted to speaking (bad) Ukrainian - not out of persecution, but out of disgust for Russia's actions
The war in Ukraine that started in 2014 was started by Russian FSB agent Igor Strelkov-Girkin who openly confirmed that fact several times.
"Here is a video of the 2014 regime-change in Ukraine which had produced this war. And here is what had led up to that historic regime-change event. And here is how that historic regime-change event ultimately produced Russia’s invasion of Ukraine on 24 February 2022. So: the Big Lie about Ukraine’s war is that it started on 24 February 2022, instead of during 20-26 February 2014. Even Ukraine’s President acknowledges that it is false. For some reason, the leaders of Ukraine’s ‘allies’ do not acknowledge it. —————"
https://theduran.com/the-big-lie-about-ukraines-war/
Yep, it did start in 2014 when Russia invaded and seized parts of the Donbas and Crimea
That I will agree.
And as Cronos states:
The war in Ukraine that started in 2014 was started by Russian FSB agent Igor Strelkov-Girkin who openly confirmed that fact several times.
Your narrative is incorrect.
The Russian federation is not the USSR though Putin aspires it to be the USSR. the RF is a local power at best, not even a first rate power.
But, we didn’t know that until we saw the Russian military get crushed by the Ukrainians.
This is analogous to the Tsardom of Russia’s situation until the 1853 Crimean war — until that time the Tsardom had attacked central asian khanates and the ottoman and Persian empires - all of which were stuck,, military-wise, in the 17th century. So the Russians ran over them.
But when they faced modern opponents, they crumbled.
This was also seen in the 1905 war with Japan
This was also seen in the start of the Great war in 1914 - when Russia thought artillery was the way forward and lost quickly to the Germans at Tannenburg etc.
However Putin seems to have ignored all of this and is still parading the narrative of “from Lisbon to Vladivostok” - which is now as hilarious as Mongolia saying that — but “almost” as , Russia can still do a lot of damage, but can’t win
So, your question is “is Russia a threat yet they can’t defeat Ukraine” - and the answer is both — They are a decaying power that is not yet decayed, and worse does not realize it is decayed.
The ordinary Russians over 40 still have grandiose ideas of conquest, they still are fed the “stab in the back” idea of why the USSR fell. They do not acknowledge that their day in the sun has past - like France and the UK in the Suez crisis, only far worse - meaning Russia is far weaker than France in 1953.
It is a bully who doesn’t realize that the other boys have grown up - but he is still slightly bigger.
dominus — yes, of course, you may use.
Robert —> seriously, ask yourself about the Kremlin’s usage of the term “Nazi” - to label anyone who doesn’t want to be ruled by the Kremlin.
and ask yourself, if there was a coup d’etat, why did Poroshenko (who was elected in 2014) get tossed out in a monitored election - losing to Zelensky who was seen as a neutral candidate and who wasn’t even in any political position until 2018
As many are saying here, we knew this almost from the beginning.
Unfortunately, state-controlled media succeeded in gaslighting millions of sheep.
These are the same sheep who believe Trump is a Russian plant, Ukraine are innocent victims, the vaccine is safe and effective, and all other bullshit shoveled down their throats by the state.
As many are saying here, we knew this almost from the beginning.
Knew what? Not clear to me what you are saying. That the war started in 2014.
That was common knowledge. Putin got greedy and took a second bite at the apple.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/apr/30/russia-ukraine-war-kiev-conflict
https://www.vox.com/2014/9/3/18088560/ukraine-everything-you-need-to-know
Yep,
War started by the FSB colonel pickles and the Russian invasion of Crimea in 2014.
U either get paid for this or it’s your occupation
All these prepared agit prop cut and pastes
Neither. I’ve seen the same Kremlin lies repeated ad nauseam.
Basically you and others keep falling for and repeating Putin’s propaganda lies.
And post 41 is you not checking a map or Russias falsified referenda.
You, Wardaddy wrote “What you’re referring to Russia retreated to east bank and ensconced”
That is demonstrably false as Russia retreated from territory it claimed.
North of Vasilyvka, Russia does not hold territory on the east bank until the Donbas region.
Russia retreated from Kherson despite saying clearly that the 4 oblasts were part of Russia.
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