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To: Rockingham
Again, the South's articles of secession cited slavery as the reason for secession, not tariff rates.

To be fair, three states cited "slavery". Most didn't say anything at all, and the very most important state (Virginia) said they seceded because the government had turned tyrannical in it's efforts to force it's sister states into submission.

But I see it as a constant assertion from people making your argument that 3 states who said that, speak for 11 states that did not.

In a era of substantial property requirements to vote, slave owners had the upper hand politically. In effect, non-slave holders were mostly disenfranchised.

That is silly. The men who individually owned land in the South greatly outnumbered the wealthy plantation owners. You didn't get more votes for owning more land. It was still one vote per man.

191 posted on 06/07/2023 12:52:11 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp
No, the preservation of slavery was the motive for secession. This was clear in the debates and in the secession articles themselves if read honestly. Virginia, for example, which you count as not seceding because of slavery, referred to "oppression" but the context matters, with Virginia declaring: "the Federal Government having perverted said powers not only to the injury of the people of Virginia, but to the oppression of the Southern slave-holding States."

The class aspect of secession is well-established. Oddly, in that respect you decline an economic interpretation, but it was widely commented on at the time, with the war being described as "a rich man's war but a poor man's fight." Smaller property holders, even non-slave owners, usually tended to have a major stake in the preservation of slavery because it was the foundation of the Southern economy and defined the Southern way of life.

The two major exceptions are notable, being the hill country of Alabama and West Virginia. In both cases, the poor quality of the land made it unsuitable for plantation agriculture, which mostly kept slavery out. They were mostly hostile to secession.

212 posted on 06/07/2023 7:36:19 PM PDT by Rockingham
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