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American Patriot system in Kiev blown up by Kinzhal missile
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Posted on 05/17/2023 1:25:24 PM PDT by ganeemead

The real version of the story

As the article notes and as others have noted, hohos are using robots to try to extinguish fires and clean up the mess at these kinzhal vs patriot sites since no humans are volunteering to go near the places ("...I got enough health problems without glowing in the dark...").....


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To: caww
The Patriot system was designed ‘before’ hypersonic weapons were sent to battlefield and Raytheon has not said publicly that the is effective against a missile flying at hypersonic speeds (anything above five times the speed of sound). ....While the U.S. said that the Patriot system brought down last week’s Khinzal missile, it was not clear if that missile was traveling at hypersonic speed at the time.

The ballistic missiles that the Patriot has previously been used against are hypersonic too, so the speed isn't the only issue. The Khinzal is a hypersonic *cruise* missile. If the Russians weren't programming it to use its maneuvering capability to evade defenses while on its way to the target, the Patriot system could be expected to hit it as though it were following a ballistic arc.

21 posted on 05/17/2023 2:16:58 PM PDT by Charles Martel (Progressives are the crab grass in the lawn of life.)
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To: PIF

Well apparently despite their limited maneuverability they still were able to bypass the Patriot battery. And that’s the only relevant point here.


22 posted on 05/17/2023 2:20:24 PM PDT by jimwatx
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To: DesertRhino; jimwatx; realcleanguy
16 missile Patriot system launcher


23 posted on 05/17/2023 2:26:53 PM PDT by linMcHlp
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To: Mariner
The same can be said of Ukrainians and Americans.

So, you equate the American credibility with that of the Russians? Really? Good to know.

That then makes you not credible at all, and you should be working as double-spy, or at one of the progressive/communist networks.
24 posted on 05/17/2023 2:33:10 PM PDT by adorno
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To: Mariner

“Never attribute to ignorance that which is adequately explained by malice. “ or flat out lying to push a narrative.


25 posted on 05/17/2023 2:40:14 PM PDT by Farmerbob
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To: caww

[...it was not clear if that missile was traveling at hypersonic speed at the time.]

Wow! Russia produces some awesome “hypersonic” missiles...


26 posted on 05/17/2023 2:43:33 PM PDT by Farmerbob
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To: All

Patriot Missiles Are Made in America and Fail Everywhere
The evidence is in: the missile defense system that the United States and its allies rely on is a lemon.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/03/28/patriot-missiles-are-made-in-america-and-fail-everywhere/


27 posted on 05/17/2023 2:45:00 PM PDT by jimwatx
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To: ganeemead

This guy jumped the shark yesterday, and is doubling down today. The true meaning of the word ignorance is refusing to learn.


28 posted on 05/17/2023 2:45:38 PM PDT by Chad C. Mulligan
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To: ganeemead

Haha, America has become the 21st century Monty Python of global power. I’m sure just one more billion $$$ installment of fed printed pretend money will bring this war to a glorious victory!


30 posted on 05/17/2023 2:56:04 PM PDT by Bull Man
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To: ganeemead

Did that video also say they took out the Swiss Navy?

Did somebody tell the Swiss?


31 posted on 05/17/2023 3:02:06 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Guns don't kill people, Democrats do. )
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To: Apparatchik

“Wow, great video - so much detail. I totally believe the Russian version because they would never lie or be aggressive in any way.”

sarcasm or no sarcasm, it’s looking like the Ukrainians are making the Russians look like Honest Abe Lincoln in comparison.

Even CNN is admitting that the Russians “may have damaged” the Patriot battery, which may mean it’s a smoking hole full of rubble.

When the Russians are winning the narrative by telling the truth, it shows just how far America has fallen under the Biden regime. We have no credibility, and apparently when it comes to getting the truth, we need to look to the Russians to tell it to us.

This is unfortunately America today. God forbid.


32 posted on 05/17/2023 3:05:52 PM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: Mariner
Like anybody gives a shit what you think of them.

Not even your wife and kids do.


But, I'm still a million times more credible than you.

Besides, when you have to resort to foul language, it immediately indicates that you can't make your case and you lost the argument.
33 posted on 05/17/2023 3:07:34 PM PDT by adorno
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To: jimwatx

the only relevant point here.

Other than all the Kinzals, as well as all the other missiles, were destroyed.


34 posted on 05/17/2023 3:08:35 PM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: PIF

Even CNN has come to admit a Kinzhal successfully struck the Patriot battery so obviously “all” were not shot down. Nor did the remnants of the missiles Ukraine claim to have shot down resemble those of a Kinzhal. The Ukies are just lying through their teeth as they have been doing throughout this war. Only suckers like yourself pay attention to their nonsense.


35 posted on 05/17/2023 3:14:30 PM PDT by jimwatx
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To: jimwatx

OK Jim. I see you, like your fellow travelers, are beginning to panic.


36 posted on 05/17/2023 3:17:47 PM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: ganeemead

A newly produced single Patriot battery costs over $1 billion, with $400 million for the system and $690 million for the missiles in a battery, according to CSIS.


37 posted on 05/17/2023 3:24:10 PM PDT by McGruff (Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f*** things up - Barack Obama)
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To: jimwatx

Is your opinion based on serving with a patriot unit, flying against a patriot unit, reading russian AARs of PATRIOT ENGAGMENTS, OR JUST your biased view of this conflict?

People want to know......

The patriot of Desert Storm isn’t the same as the current firm ware software and missile itself.

Even in 1990 it intercepted ballistic missiles. I was in Saudi Arabia watching it hit ballistic missiles. Please enlighten us peasants to your bona fides.


38 posted on 05/17/2023 3:26:39 PM PDT by reluctantwarrior (Strength and Honor, just call me Buzz.kill for short......)
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To: reluctantwarrior

I think this guy’s expertise trumps yours.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/03/28/patriot-missiles-are-made-in-america-and-fail-everywhere/


39 posted on 05/17/2023 3:31:23 PM PDT by jimwatx
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To: jimwatx
Well apparently despite their limited maneuverability they still were able to bypass the Patriot battery. And that’s the only relevant point here.

Actually, this raid succeeded in baiting the launch of 30 vehicles costing $1.2 Million (?) Each. How many are left and what is the production capacity for these vehicles are the next questions. After that, given the punking the RF just dealt out, the next question is whether keeping this system around is worth it (Answer is obviously yes, notwithstanding all the previous answers because the US DOD and State Dept. Are under the spell of the Woke of the Knowers of War.).

40 posted on 05/17/2023 3:33:47 PM PDT by frithguild (The warmth and goodness of Gaia is a nuclear reactor in the Earth's core that burns Thorium)
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