| In the General/Chat forum, on a thread titled What really killed COVID-19 patients: It wasn't a cytokine storm, suggests study (Secondary bacterial pneumonia from ventilators), gas_dr wrote: |
Well. Thanks for the anecdotes but this actual data with the actual story demonstrate then that those people with the anecdotal data were going to get well regardless and that the IVM and HCQ are a non-factor. And as you continue to persist on the same topic Terat was advised to delay actual curative therapy to get IVM. Which now according to this study demonstrate its uselessness. But you would have to recall the arguments that were made instead of the pivots attempted here. The reason why some have become the paragon of this is what they always knew if because they have no foundational knowledge so whatever is said sounds good. But in that ignorance people forget what they argued. This study is particularly harmful and confirms the studies that fall on the side of IVM and HCq being reasonable drugs based on the mechanisms discovered. Funny. This is what real science looks like. Non predetermined explanations to results that are well designed and researched. |
This is how those pushing the Covid 'narrative' are dealing with the exposure of their lies:
" ....the actual story demonstrate then that those people with the anecdotal data were going to get well regardless and that the IVM and HCQ are a non-factor."
You know that's not true! You flat out lie to prop up the narrative.
Terart was offered zero treatment from her doctors, so she was not asked to delay actual curative therapy to get more IVM. While pretending to be a doctor, you failed to factor in her blood ox so you sent her for monoclonal infusions, while urging her NOT to take ivermectin.She tracked those infusions down but was not eligible because of her low blood ox. A real doctor would ask her to test her own blood ox before putting her remaining energy into seeking treatment she would be denied. A real doctor would discuss alternatives and options.
This study confirms what I and others were saying - don't trust the doctors, they are blindly following a dangerous protocol controlled by the CDC.
They study you are distorting does not demonstrate that IVM is useless. Your distortion of the truth continues to put FReepers at a disadvantage. Shame on you.
RN. You just don’t have a foundational understanding. This study demonstrates cytokines storm is not a factor. This confirms what I and many other physicians who treated this in real time saw. I tried IVM and it didn’t work on several patients late in the course. I tried HCQ. No dice. IL - 6 inhibitors. Nada. I used very little redesivir. Totally worthless drug.
Everyone was pushing IVM and HCQ because of their immunomodulation. I am stunned you don’t remember what you and your gang vociferously promulgated. It was all the take that early therapy with these drugs would quell immunological storm. You do know HCQ and IVM were trumpeted for their anti-inflammatory effects. You and the others couldn’t repeat it often enough.
So science being logic and reason would conclude that if cytokine storm really isn’t a factor than meds which reduce immunological activity such as cytokine storm which is run away activity are ineffective. This is exactly what we were seeing but you and your were fo busy calling us frauds and liars
The truth is the matter is this. This is strong evidence that supports observational data and helps us understand where we went right and where we went wrong. Yours are the argument of someone who only is able to parrot other people’s beliefs while having no understanding or grounding of the science behind it or the scientific method at large.
It is only logical and proper to then conclude that people on IVM who purportedly got better were destined to get better regardless of if IVM or HCQ were administered. This data show you are wrong Or at lest Krisch and the rest of the renegades were wrong. Science is as much about understanding being incorrect as being correct. You cannot answer simple questions about your hypothesis. You shift stances on the drop of a hat and have little longitudinal consistency as is often the case with people not anchored on bedrock principles. It’s not that you are intentionally trying to promulgate deceit it’s just that you don’t know any better.