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To: Alas Babylon!; lapsus calami; Grampa Dave
My pleasure, AB.

Desk jockeys weren't prepared to lead men in combat on or under the sea, or on land. The small initial US submarine fleet had to be given a new commander just to get things moving. Some skippers had to be relieved. In that crucial first year of the war, Adm Halsey would go ahead with a mission if he had even one working aircraft for either surveillance or "air support".

Less than three months after Pearl Harbor, Doolittle's Raid struck their capital. It didn't achieve much, technically, but was a massive humiliation, and every Japanese realized, big trouble now. Meanwhile, most of the US industrial production and shipbuilding was in eastern N America, and out of reach.

Six months in, the Japanese lost their best carriers and many of their best pilots (best carrier squadrons in the world up to that time). The US sent its three remaining carriers, under-experienced pilots, and used Midway itself as the fourth carrier. The US carriers hovered out near the Japanese flight radius, which exceeded US flight radius at that point in the war, on a somewhat overcast day. US planes could strike the Japanese carriers, then refuel and whatnot on the island, while the Japanese could not do that.

The US taking of Guadalcanal surprised the Japanese in its early scheduling and rapidity, and they had no idea US fighting men would just hang in there and kick the living crap out of them. Abandonment of the effort to retake Guadalcanal meant the plan to control the air and sea along the Solomons using land-based aircraft was at an end.

Japan's cities, then as now, are coastal and vulnerable. It had a great industrial base (not as great as even prewar US') but had to import raw materials. With the arrival of US long-range B-29 bombers in large numbers (over 2500 were built during the war, and as many as 1000 at a time bombed Tokyo late in the war) every city, port, factory, and even moving trains were hit. Before Hiroshima, 45 Japanese cities had been pretty much burned to the ground via conventional incendiary bombing.

Best case scenario, the Japanese would need more early success against the US Navy, would need to raise, train, and equip another huge land army, take the western coast (probably just parts of California), fight its way across 1000 miles of altiplano, hundreds more miles to reach the Mississippi...

The Japanese attack on the US didn't make sense then, doesn't make sense now, and can't be made to make sense.

23 posted on 05/04/2023 10:48:01 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (NeverTrumpers are Republicans the same way Liz Cheney is a Republican.)
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To: SunkenCiv
 
 
Best case scenario, the Japanese would need more early success against the US Navy, would need to raise, train, and equip another huge land army, take the western coast (probably just parts of California), fight its way across 1000 miles of altiplano, hundreds more miles to reach the Mississippi...
 
What always amazed me is the sheer lack of preparation they had before kicking off the shootout with us and the rest of the western powers. They didn't squirrel away inventories of critical resources beforehand. They worked with the principle as they had with their conquests in Asia, just loot and add inventory as they went, which is tenacious as it gets since there is no contingency for error or setback. Simply seize what they needed as they went across the Pacific, but that entailed gathering it, shipping it back to Japan, processing, manufacturing before arriving at a finished product of use. All complicated by another aspect of ill preparation - lift capacity. They had what they had for shipping and were not positioned for wartime manufacturing compared to us. New construction was feeble with long timetables, fraught with QA/QC issues. The loss of a ship, ANY ship, was a real setback, at times having severe impact on particular plans or strategies. Even damage was almost as good as a sinking since their shipyards were terribly slow and less than competent at addressing repairs.
 
 
The Japanese attack on the US didn't make sense then, doesn't make sense now, and can't be made to make sense.
 
But it made sense to them, from their perspective. They had done their homework, knew the Euro powers were in no position to defend their holdings - the massive loss of life during the First World War and the economic collapse that swept the world afterwards had seen to that. The last people left who could be deemed as an existential threat to their plans for economic & political domination of the Asia/Pacific hemisphere was us. We were another faction of the Caucasian West that were set to be driven out and blocked from having any presence or influence. We were already on their crap list, after not helping them with claims before the League of Nations against Euro powers in the Pacific in the aftermath of WW1, and blocking Japanese immigration in the early 1920s. Those two issues got the Japanese public stirred up, as exploited by opportunist politicians and military, souring relations and getting us crossed off their friends list. Then there was the philosophical component that is largely missed or else deliberately downplayed by some sources. An adherence to religious and societal ideals which drove policies that were way out of step with the ethics of the rest of the world. A following of a sort of manifest destiny, a belief of hakko ichiu, a philosophy of superiority with a destiny to rule the world. Which is what ultimately led to their fall since they could not competently strike a balance between power and responsibility in a modern-day world. Their values wouldn't allow for it. Consequently they became just another batch of bad guys of history that didn't play well with others who had to be beaten into civility.
 
 

28 posted on 05/04/2023 1:45:03 PM PDT by lapsus calami (What's that stink? Code Pink ! ! And their buddy Murtha, too!)
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To: SunkenCiv

It was amazing how quickly Japan was able to expand and how quickly we put them on their heels. By the end of 1942, we knew Japan was going to lose the war. We didn’t know that in Europe until mid-1943 when we invaded Sicily.


29 posted on 05/05/2023 6:01:19 AM PDT by AppyPappy (Biden told Al Roker "America is back". Unfortunately, he meant back to the 1970's)
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