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EXCLUSIVE: Amid Recruiting Woes, Officers Allege The Army Is Preventing Their Scheduled Discharge
Daily Caller ^ | April 24, 2023 8:00 PM ET | MICHAEL GINSBERG - CONGRESSIONAL CORRESPONDENT

Posted on 04/25/2023 7:09:13 AM PDT by Red Badger

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To: Red Badger
Recruitment and retention failures have beset all five branches of the U.S. military in recent years...

Patriotism used to give the US Military the best the Nation had to offer, however the US Government and the Military forgot that Patriotism is a Two Way Street.

21 posted on 04/25/2023 7:59:32 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Celebrate Decivilization)
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To: Red Badger
This will cause a shortage of airline pilots and less flights and less travel by the public...

This is Army so they're most likely helicopter pilots. Although the Army does have a few King Air and Huron twin turboprop aircraft, those pilots are not a regular feeder into the airlines like Air Force pilots.

22 posted on 04/25/2023 8:01:23 AM PDT by T.B. Yoits
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To: allendale

“Very soon the American economy will weaken considerably.”

And then they can be concerned with the workmanship of the equipment they are trusting being worked on by the lowest bidder and the only ones they could find.

wy69


23 posted on 04/25/2023 8:02:27 AM PDT by whitney69
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To: Red Badger

“The first officer explained that moving bases has been difficult for his wife, who works remotely and is planning to stay long-term in the area where he is currently stationed. “

If she works remotely, then the problem is her attitude. Imagine some officer in the 40s or 50s saying he cannot move because of his wife’s job.


24 posted on 04/25/2023 8:03:52 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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To: bunkerhill7

No Involuntary servitude except as punishment for a crime. It’s a Constitutional Amendment.


25 posted on 04/25/2023 8:05:40 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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To: silverleaf
Nothing motivates pilots to stay on top of the game better than perceived bad faith betrayal by their govt, and 3 years of involuntary servitude.

No kidding. What the Army brass appears to be doing is affecting a Stop-Loss without Congressional approval. (Stop-Loss is where individuals with certain specialties are kept on Active Duty past their service commitment date).

Since this is Army, they're most likely helicopter pilots and their last day flying for the Army is likely their last day flying a helicopter. (There are far more helicopter flying jobs in the Army than there are civilian helicopter flying jobs). Why pass a flight physical and prevent yourself from leaving?

An Active Duty Service Committment (ADSC) or Active Duty Service Obligation (ADSO) can be fulfilled in any branch of the military as well as federal employment. I know several who changed branches of service when the one they were in tried to lock them in place. These pilots have a way out if they want to get creative.

The Army brass is playing a risky game. I witnessed large shortfalls in Stop-Loss specialties. New recruits refused to go into them and a large surge of those in that specialty left as soon as the Stop-Loss was lifted. It took years of bonuses to level some specialties out. Others specialties never did level out and the Active Duty instead had to rely on National Guard and Reservists to backfill shortfalls.

The trust is gone.

26 posted on 04/25/2023 8:06:22 AM PDT by T.B. Yoits
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To: allendale; Red Badger
Very soon the American economy will weaken considerably.

Probably so.

Then the military will have no trouble filling their ranks ...with self serving foreigners, or retaining skilled officers Infiltrators.

27 posted on 04/25/2023 8:06:58 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Celebrate Decivilization)
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To: silverleaf

It’s like they don’t remember the 1970s military and don’t think that Carter era can return.


28 posted on 04/25/2023 8:07:32 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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To: T.B. Yoits

T.B. — What are the Stop-Loss specialties? Can you name a few? Is it because they require the most training / investment, or are they just unpopular specialties? Thanks.


29 posted on 04/25/2023 8:11:08 AM PDT by Blurb2350 (posted from my 1500-watt blow dryer)
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To: central_va

When an 18-20 year old male sees females being rangers, Marine platoon leaders, pilots, etc, there is not much to be gained by doing it also.

“You fly a Blackhawk? Oh cool, so do my sister and her wife....”

He shrugs and goes elsewhere to do something fun.


30 posted on 04/25/2023 8:11:26 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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To: Salvavida

I have mixed feelings about your point of view. If a foreigner wants to put his life on the line to become an American citizen, the military should be a short path to citizenship.

I do see ways such an offered path can be abused and loyalties may very well divided should our military have to deal with a country that one of our soldiers may have come from.


31 posted on 04/25/2023 8:15:03 AM PDT by mdmathis6 (A horrible historic indictment: Biden Democrats plunging the world into war to hide their crimes!)
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To: Red Badger

Sounds like an updated version of Stop-Loss that we had during Desert Storm.


32 posted on 04/25/2023 8:17:46 AM PDT by Midwesterner53
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To: bunkerhill7

Your suggestion of a draft is more proof democrats have turned the country into a hellhole.

If WOKE idiots want to be in charge of the military, they can sign up their own kids to defend the hellhole they want to make of the old United States... Cause citizens aren’t in the loop anymore. We don’t have skin in the game... and dying to protect ‘them’ is nuts.

Cops are quitting too... Shall the thugs running the US force people to be cops?


33 posted on 04/25/2023 8:36:46 AM PDT by GOPJ (best definition of WOKE/socialism is simply “The endless war against merit. ”Victor Davis Hanson )
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To: Blurb2350
T.B. — What are the Stop-Loss specialties? Can you name a few? Is it because they require the most training / investment, or are they just unpopular specialties?

There are none currently as we are not at war. (officially)

Stop-Loss specialties are not selected due to training or investment but about how many personnel are on hand versus needed and how critical the skill sets are. The lists seem all over the place until you compare them to your wing's Unit Type Codes (UTCs).

For example:
-Chemical Engineers during the Gulf Wars
-Combat controllers during almost any engagement
-Medical personnel, especially combat medics, during almost any engagement.
-Aircraft maintainers for airframes that are heavily tasked during engagements and they need more maintainers than they have available. For example, C-5 maintainers might be Stop-Lossed but A-10 maintainers might not.
-Pilots qualified to fly certain aircraft, if they don't have enough pilots already. (B-1, B-2, U-2)
--their physiological / life support personnel are usually Stop-Lossed along with them depending on how many aircraft are deployed
-Linguists with the "right" languages that are expected to deploy to forward operating locations
-Munitions instructors (usually not the augmentee bomb assemblers and loaders) if the engagement will involve a large quantity of bombs
-Fuels specialists, usually those who forward deploy to dispersed locations
-Air Traffic Controllers depending on how many overseas locations are involved
-Weather personnel depending on how many overseas locations are involved (it's not just about weather but about having high level security clearances to know what missions are coming through your sector)
-Transporters, not just those certified to sign off on air cargo, but also those signed off on certain vehicles such as heavy duty all-terrain forklifts
-Civil Engineering personnel, especially those trained in Unexploded Ordinance Disposal, aircraft decontamination, Nuclear Biological and Chemical (NBC) decontamination, runway repair (depending on how many forward operating locations involved), etc.
-Security Forces - they're always short staffed in peace time, forget about conflicts

I'm probably leaving out a few that are always Stop-Lossed and offending them but don't intend to.

34 posted on 04/25/2023 8:43:00 AM PDT by T.B. Yoits
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To: Salvavida
The thugs in charge would love to have a mercenary 'army' to kill the American people... but to fight a war defending the country? For that you need leaders who came up through the ranks...

You need men and women trusted by the people below them and above them. The true value of 'merit' promotions.

When folks in charge were chosen by sexual kink, color or 'NEPO' - (powerful daddy) NO ONE will follow them into battle or want to fight beside them.

Even illegals will figure this out...probably faster than those of us who were lucky enough to live in a free country for as long as we did..

35 posted on 04/25/2023 8:46:00 AM PDT by GOPJ (best definition of WOKE/socialism is simply “The endless war against merit. ”Victor Davis Hanson )
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To: Red Badger

Didn’t tsarist Russia have a 25-year conscription? Lack of recruitment might get so bad that Fedzilla will require this.


36 posted on 04/25/2023 9:00:26 AM PDT by Tom Tetroxide
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To: Red Badger

The Army is just stalling until the next war is started. Then they won’t have to worry about pesky things like contracts they’ll just keep them all in for the duration. The duration will be no longer than that minor little Afghanistan thing.


37 posted on 04/25/2023 9:26:57 AM PDT by glorgau
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To: GOPJ

I wuz done drafted twice in 6 years.


38 posted on 04/25/2023 10:56:36 AM PDT by bunkerhill7 (`)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; Bockscar; BraveMan; cardinal4; ...
They'll be needed to arrest all of Biden's opponents.

39 posted on 04/25/2023 12:03:50 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Democrato delenda est. [thanks Fai Mao])
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To: Red Badger

Pardon me, I have to make a scheduled discharge.


40 posted on 04/25/2023 12:34:28 PM PDT by Mr. Blond
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